[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] What are the chances?

[Mike Lehman]

As a historian, in my opinion I think you're drawing the wrong analogy 
from 1932. If Romney wins, it will be as if Hoover won in 1932 -- and 
then you can hope all you want about the people having any impact on his 
greed and lust for power.

Frankly, I wouldn't take much in the way of political advice from the NY 
Times anyway. I read it regularly, just as I listen to what the 
president has to say from time to time. Do I invest in either? Are you 
kidding?!?

Douthat's puppy love for Ryan, the "policy entrepreneur" kind of makes 
me want to puke. Serial greed freak, maybe. Policy presumes it at least 
benefits the public and nothing I've seen from Romney is anything more 
than the Pig of Greed wearing Sarah Palin's lipstick.

Two bad choices? Don't presume that they're equally bad, which seems to 
be the point of the argument that it's no skin off anyone's knee if 
Romney happens to manage to buy the presidency this time around. Give 
those jerks another shot at packing the Supremes and Carl will likely be 
scratching out marks on a prison wall along with other thought 
criminals, even though he and Romney probably do agree on abortion. I've 
yet to figure out how folks that claim to believe in small government 
want it to be just the size to forcibly fit in the womb. The present 
situation, while it may gall some, at least leaves these decisions to a 
woman's conscience, where it should be. I have yet to figure out how 
some people seem to talk to god enough to claim to know what s/he thinks 
on this matter, which is likely to be a lot more complicated than a 
Republican platform plank.

Not that I trust Obama more than a cup of warm spit on much of anything. 
But there are two possibilities of who wins in November and I know which 
one I'd prefer to have to put up with given that bad hand, even though I 
won't be voting for him.
Mike Lehman

On 9/2/2012 7:02 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> Ross Douthout has a column in the NYT today in which he too draws a comparison with 1932:
>
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/opinion/sunday/douthat-franklin-delano-romney.html>.
>
>
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:29 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 2, 2012, at 3:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>>   
>>> Although I won't vote for either one of them, it's not at all clear to me whether a Romney or an Obama presidency would add more to the sum of human happiness, since they both profess the same murderous economic and military policies (for all their efforts at product differentiation).
>>>
>>> Obama's re-election cannot avoid being interpreted as approval of those policies (cf. Little Bush's "political capital" in 2004), while Romney's election might be seen as their rejection, despite his protestations.
>>>
>> I think not. If such be the case, it [Obama winning] will result from a confused guess by the voting electorate that given the alternatives, Romney and company would offer less than Obama, while following basically the same corporate and imperialistic  policies with perhaps even more fervor. And then there's the race factor, which should not be minimized.
>>> Perhaps, like FDR in 1932, a victorious Romney may be driven to reverse his professed positions, if the popular demand is strong enough. Politics is in the streets, not the ballot box.
>>>
>>>
>> In ignorance, there is always room for hope.
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