[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] What are the chances?

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Excellent post, Mike, was seconding yr every word until the last bit. Why won't you be voting for Obama? I'm too scared to do otherwise. I'm assuming y're an IL resident? Would you vote for Obama if you lived in e g MO-WI-OH-IN,FL, and if not, why not? 

--- On Sun, 9/2/12, Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net> wrote:

From: Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [sf-core] What are the chances?
To: "sf-core" <sf-core at yahoogroups.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
Date: Sunday, September 2, 2012, 11:26 PM

As a historian, in my opinion I think you're drawing the wrong analogy from 1932. If Romney wins, it will be as if Hoover won in 1932 -- and then you can hope all you want about the people having any impact on his greed and lust for power.

Frankly, I wouldn't take much in the way of political advice from the NY Times anyway. I read it regularly, just as I listen to what the president has to say from time to time. Do I invest in either? Are you kidding?!?

Douthat's puppy love for Ryan, the "policy entrepreneur" kind of makes me want to puke. Serial greed freak, maybe. Policy presumes it at least benefits the public and nothing I've seen from Romney is anything more than the Pig of Greed wearing Sarah Palin's lipstick.

Two bad choices? Don't presume that they're equally bad, which seems to be the point of the argument that it's no skin off anyone's knee if Romney happens to manage to buy the presidency this time around. Give those jerks another shot at packing the Supremes and Carl will likely be scratching out marks on a prison wall along with other thought criminals, even though he and Romney probably do agree on abortion. I've yet to figure out how folks that claim to believe in small government want it to be just the size to forcibly fit in the womb. The present situation, while it may gall some, at least leaves these decisions to a woman's conscience, where it should be. I have yet to figure out how some people seem to talk to god enough to claim to know what s/he thinks on this matter, which is likely to be a lot more complicated than a Republican platform plank.

Not that I trust Obama more than a cup of warm spit on much of anything. But there are two possibilities of who wins in November and I know which one I'd prefer to have to put up with given that bad hand, even though I won't be voting for him.
Mike Lehman

On 9/2/2012 7:02 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> Ross Douthout has a column in the NYT today in which he too draws a comparison with 1932:
> 
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/opinion/sunday/douthat-franklin-delano-romney.html>.
> 
> 
> On Sep 2, 2012, at 4:29 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2012, at 3:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> 
>>>   Although I won't vote for either one of them, it's not at all clear to me whether a Romney or an Obama presidency would add more to the sum of human happiness, since they both profess the same murderous economic and military policies (for all their efforts at product differentiation).
>>> 
>>> Obama's re-election cannot avoid being interpreted as approval of those policies (cf. Little Bush's "political capital" in 2004), while Romney's election might be seen as their rejection, despite his protestations.
>>> 
>> I think not. If such be the case, it [Obama winning] will result from a confused guess by the voting electorate that given the alternatives, Romney and company would offer less than Obama, while following basically the same corporate and imperialistic  policies with perhaps even more fervor. And then there's the race factor, which should not be minimized.
>>> Perhaps, like FDR in 1932, a victorious Romney may be driven to reverse his professed positions, if the popular demand is strong enough. Politics is in the streets, not the ballot box.
>>> 
>>> 
>> In ignorance, there is always room for hope.
> 
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