[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [sf-core] Another Guantánamo prisoner death highlights Democrats' hypocrisy

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigsqq.org
Wed Sep 12 20:58:40 UTC 2012


How does silly and childish compare with shrewish and bitchy on the 
value scale?


On 9/13/2012 3:08 AM, Rachel Storm wrote:
> David,
>
> I sent this email to Occupy, not Peace Discuss and your question 
> illustrates precisely what I seek to illuminate. Listservs are 
> designed for the people on them. Not others and the assumption isn't 
> that they will be forwarded willy nilly to folks off of the list. I 
> expect that from people typically, but not from people I am trying to 
> build movements with--we can do better. I'm not going to engage with 
> you, when you seek no understanding and only want to ignite debate. 
> It's silly and childish.
>
> Rachel
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:46 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     "There is nothing revolutionary about conversations here. I can
>     listen to white men man'splain in desperate pissing contests
>     virtually anywhere--that's what patriarchy continues to afford me."
>     Rachel, do you think that an individual's views can be reduced
>     and/or dismissed on account of their age, race, and/or gender?
>     David Green
>
>         *From:* C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com
>         <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>>
>         *To:* Rachel Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com
>         <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>>
>         *Cc:* peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>         <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>;
>         "occupycu at lists.chambana.net
>         <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>"
>         <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
>         <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>>
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:24 AM
>         *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [sf-core] Another
>         Guantánamo prisoner death highlights Democrats' hypocrisy
>
>         I thought the local Occupy group supported the efforts of
>         AWARE against US war and racism abroad - even to participating
>         in our demonstrations.
>
>         That's why I posted to the "OccupyCU" list information about
>         the ongoing scandal of Guantanamo, which is scanted in the
>         corporate media (as is Manning's persecution, etc.).
>
>         --CGE
>
>         On Sep 12, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Rachel Storm
>         <rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         > I must share this...
>         >
>         > I've been both terribly bored and fairly annoyed at how this
>         Occupy listserv is being used. I am someone that cannot
>         regularly attend Occupy meetings and for me, it's important to
>         be able to stay connected, but what is Occupy here--in this
>         communication space? What is worth occupying? There is nothing
>         revolutionary about conversations here. I can listen to white
>         men man'splain in desperate pissing contests virtually
>         anywhere--that's what patriarchy continues to afford me. I'm
>         tired of having to ask men in the movement to check their
>         privilege. It shouldn't have to be asked-- I hear men in the
>         movement say they want revolution, but I don't see willingness
>         to do the work. We are failing to model what we seek. We need
>         more imagination than this. We can do better.
>         >
>         >     • We can value dialogue over debate. Modeling that we're
>         a community of people seeking understanding, rather than
>         trying to get their word in edgewise. Those with privilege in
>         the movement (men, white folks, etc.) can step back, make
>         space, talk less/listen more. This isn't hard to do and makes
>         a world of difference. (Just count the number of women, people
>         of color, etc. actively engaged on these C-U activist lists or
>         being listened to at meetings and you'll see how deep this
>         problem is.)
>         >     • We can "check each other" in an act of care. Knowing
>         that we're not perfect, but we're trying and we have a
>         responsibility to help one another grow where possible. We can
>         tell those who are dominating conversation to step back, to
>         ask for clarification, and to listen.
>         >     • We can reject "occupation" as our language in
>         solidarity with native peoples all over North America. We can
>         privilege people of color and women's voices--knowing these
>         voices ought to drive the movement that seeks decolonization
>         and an end to marginalization.
>         >     • We can spend more time imagining what we want,
>         alternatives, and raging where it matters!
>         >
>         >
>         > In the past month alone, I've witnessed a silencing
>         conversation around the rape allegations facing Assange that
>         signals to me--as a woman--that the same men that say they
>         care about women in the movement are no where to be found when
>         it comes time to stand up against violence against women. I've
>         been to meetings where women's voices were rarely heard--and I
>         know my sisters had plenty to say!
>         > I am reminded of Adrienne Rich who cautioned a white-led
>         feminist movement, "Without addressing the whiteness of white
>         feminism, our movement will turn in on itself and collapse."
>         >
>         > There are other voices we need in this space. This local
>         organizing will not last unless we turn our attention to these
>         matters.
>         >
>         >
>         http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_s3X0uW9Ec&feature=player_embedded
>         <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_s3X0uW9Ec&feature=player_embedded>
>         >
>         > love and rage,
>         >
>         > RS
>
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