[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [sf-core] Another Guantánamo prisoner death highlights Democrats' hypocrisy
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigsqq.org
Wed Sep 12 20:58:40 UTC 2012
How does silly and childish compare with shrewish and bitchy on the
value scale?
On 9/13/2012 3:08 AM, Rachel Storm wrote:
> David,
>
> I sent this email to Occupy, not Peace Discuss and your question
> illustrates precisely what I seek to illuminate. Listservs are
> designed for the people on them. Not others and the assumption isn't
> that they will be forwarded willy nilly to folks off of the list. I
> expect that from people typically, but not from people I am trying to
> build movements with--we can do better. I'm not going to engage with
> you, when you seek no understanding and only want to ignite debate.
> It's silly and childish.
>
> Rachel
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:46 PM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com
> <mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> "There is nothing revolutionary about conversations here. I can
> listen to white men man'splain in desperate pissing contests
> virtually anywhere--that's what patriarchy continues to afford me."
> Rachel, do you think that an individual's views can be reduced
> and/or dismissed on account of their age, race, and/or gender?
> David Green
>
> *From:* C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com
> <mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>>
> *To:* Rachel Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com
> <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>>
> *Cc:* peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>;
> "occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net>"
> <occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] [sf-core] Another
> Guantánamo prisoner death highlights Democrats' hypocrisy
>
> I thought the local Occupy group supported the efforts of
> AWARE against US war and racism abroad - even to participating
> in our demonstrations.
>
> That's why I posted to the "OccupyCU" list information about
> the ongoing scandal of Guantanamo, which is scanted in the
> corporate media (as is Manning's persecution, etc.).
>
> --CGE
>
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 12:16 AM, Rachel Storm
> <rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> > I must share this...
> >
> > I've been both terribly bored and fairly annoyed at how this
> Occupy listserv is being used. I am someone that cannot
> regularly attend Occupy meetings and for me, it's important to
> be able to stay connected, but what is Occupy here--in this
> communication space? What is worth occupying? There is nothing
> revolutionary about conversations here. I can listen to white
> men man'splain in desperate pissing contests virtually
> anywhere--that's what patriarchy continues to afford me. I'm
> tired of having to ask men in the movement to check their
> privilege. It shouldn't have to be asked-- I hear men in the
> movement say they want revolution, but I don't see willingness
> to do the work. We are failing to model what we seek. We need
> more imagination than this. We can do better.
> >
> > • We can value dialogue over debate. Modeling that we're
> a community of people seeking understanding, rather than
> trying to get their word in edgewise. Those with privilege in
> the movement (men, white folks, etc.) can step back, make
> space, talk less/listen more. This isn't hard to do and makes
> a world of difference. (Just count the number of women, people
> of color, etc. actively engaged on these C-U activist lists or
> being listened to at meetings and you'll see how deep this
> problem is.)
> > • We can "check each other" in an act of care. Knowing
> that we're not perfect, but we're trying and we have a
> responsibility to help one another grow where possible. We can
> tell those who are dominating conversation to step back, to
> ask for clarification, and to listen.
> > • We can reject "occupation" as our language in
> solidarity with native peoples all over North America. We can
> privilege people of color and women's voices--knowing these
> voices ought to drive the movement that seeks decolonization
> and an end to marginalization.
> > • We can spend more time imagining what we want,
> alternatives, and raging where it matters!
> >
> >
> > In the past month alone, I've witnessed a silencing
> conversation around the rape allegations facing Assange that
> signals to me--as a woman--that the same men that say they
> care about women in the movement are no where to be found when
> it comes time to stand up against violence against women. I've
> been to meetings where women's voices were rarely heard--and I
> know my sisters had plenty to say!
> > I am reminded of Adrienne Rich who cautioned a white-led
> feminist movement, "Without addressing the whiteness of white
> feminism, our movement will turn in on itself and collapse."
> >
> > There are other voices we need in this space. This local
> organizing will not last unless we turn our attention to these
> matters.
> >
> >
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_s3X0uW9Ec&feature=player_embedded
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_s3X0uW9Ec&feature=player_embedded>
> >
> > love and rage,
> >
> > RS
>
>
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