[Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE flyer for Quad Day

Tue Aug 27 22:34:01 UTC 2013

Well, not exactly the reasoned responses that might lead to a meeting of the minds that I was hoping for, but as Lincoln said, "We must use the tools we have."  At least it allows me to be brief.

No, I was not trying to imply that, and I did not imply that.  My purpose 
was not to discuss Obama's policies, foreign or domestic, or what 
constitutional amendments our (in other contexts) racist Founding 
Fathers left us he may or may not have violated.  That's another 
discussion.

But in your own ways, you illustrate my point perfectly.  Because I also read right-wing blogs, just to try to figure out how they think, and take my word, they're some pretty vicious racists.  And I find the tone and even the language you two have employed here indistinguishable from what I find there.  I find that amazing.  And to the extent those blogs remind me of nothing so much as a lynch mob, I find it more than amazing.  I find it appalling.  I know the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but for an anti-racism group, that seems to be taking it too far.

Cornell West notwithstanding, most of the black people I know like Obama and are proud that he is president, and black turnout in the most recent election tells me my friends are not outliers.  It seems to me an anti-racism effort would be wise to take that into account.  That's the only thing I wanted to discuss.

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 From: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
To: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Gregg Gordon <ggregg79 at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]  AWARE flyer for Quad Day

Gee Greg,

I hope your not trying to imply that becasue Obama 
is African American that he should be given a blank check to commit war crimes 
and impoverish Working Americans, especially African American Workers 
?

This is EXACTLEY what the 1% ruling class of this 
country hoped for when they recruited and helped get Obama elected.

Frankly, while we are on the subject, some of the 
harshest critics of Obama have been Cornell West and Black Agenda 
Report.
Not to mention that if you research Obama's REAL 
history, you will see that he has NO common experience with the average African 
American in the U.S.. or for that matter any Working American.

David Johnson

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>From: Gregg Gordon 
>To: Brussel, Morton K ; Estabrook,  Carl G 
>Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net  List 
>Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 12:38  PM
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>I realize I'm probably opening a can of worms with this, but I've  been wondering for a long time and all the March on Washington stuff this  weekend brought it back to mind.
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>Why  does an organization whose purpose is to fight racism so often speak with such  hostility toward our first black president?  It's obviously  counter-intuitive, but I wonder if it also might not be  counterproductive.
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>Gregg  Gordon
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> From: "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu>
>To: "Estabrook, Carl G" <galliher at illinois.edu> 
>Cc: "peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; "peace at anti-war.net"  <peace at anti-war.net> 
>Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:39  PM
>Subject: Re: [Peace]  [Peace-discuss] AWARE flyer for Quad Day
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>I would add that this administration is now specifically threatening, and  waging covert activities against, Iran and Syria, two countries of no threat  to the U.S., but who are seen by this administration as a threat to "our  national interests", that of corporate America and its clients.  
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>--kb
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>But in any case a useful statement. 
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>On Aug 25, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook wrote:
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>[The flyer is attached. Comments are  welcome. The text is as follows.]
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>>The Anti-War Anti-Racism Effort 
    of Champaign-Urbana (AWARE)
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>>AWARE was founded immediately after the 
    attacks of September 11, 2001, by residents of Champaign-Urbana and members 
    of the University of Illinois, who saw that the U.S. government would use 
    those crimes as an excuse to carry on and expand its wars for the control of 
    Middle East energy resources. For a dozen years members and friends of AWARE 
    have worked to end the killing by informing their fellow citizens of the 
    real nature of the "war on terrorism," in opposition to the largest and most 
    sophisticated propaganda campaign in history, conducted by the Bush and 
    Obama administrations, and directed at the American people.
>>
>>Today the 
    U.S. government is threatening, invading, and occupying countries in a vast 
    circle with a 2500-mile radius around the Persian Gulf, from north Africa to 
    the borders of India and China, a region sometimes called the "Greater 
    Middle East." (The U.S. military calls it "Central Command.") This region 
    has the world's greatest concentration of oil and natural gas, and our 
    government is spending hundreds of billions of dollars, month after month, 
    to control it. Control and not just access to these energy resources is what 
    our government demands. We in fact import little of our own oil supplies 
    from the Mideast - most of our imported oil comes from the western 
    hemisphere, notably Canada and Venezuela - but control of world energy 
    supplies gives the U.S. an unparalleled advantage over our economic rivals 
    in Europe and Asia.
>>
>>President Obama is killing men, women, and 
    children around the world to "fight terrorism," he claims, but as Noam 
    Chomsky explains, “The Obama administration is dedicated to increasing 
    terrorism ... it’s doing it all over the world. Obama ... is running the 
    biggest terrorist operation that exists ... The drone assassination 
    campaigns ... are just part of it; special forces operations and so on, all 
    of these operations, they are terror operations.” The U.S. Special 
    Operations Command - in fact a 25,000-member private army run by the 
    president - are American death squads, who by their own account are 
    operating in more than a hundred countries around the world. No wonder we 
    are hated in those countries.
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>>If you object to the Obama 
    administration's conducting illegal and unjustified war - and lying about 
    the reasons for it - join us. AWARE meets every Sunday evening 5-6pm at the 
    White Horse Inn on in Champaign, near the UIUC campus. We discuss the war 
    and plan activities like the following:
>>~ Street demonstrations. For more 
    than a decade AWARE has conducted demonstrations and distributed information 
    about the war; they now occur on the first Saturday of every month, 2-4pm, 
    at Main and Neil Streets in downtown Champaign. All are welcome to join 
    us.
>>~ Information tables. At the Urbana Farmers' Market and other public 
    events, like the Sweet Corn Festival and the Taste of Champaign, AWARE has 
    tables with free printed information on the war and books, t-shirts, buttons 
    and bumper stickers at cost.
>>~ Television programs. AWARE produces a 
    weekly hour of discussion on the war, "AWARE on the Air," seen Tuesdays at 
    10pm on Urbana Public Television  <http://www.urbanapublictelevision.org/>. The program is  recorded unrehearsed at noon on Tuesdays in the UPTV studios. Members and  friends of AWARE are invited to attend and participate in the  discussion.
>>~ Articles in the local media. Letters to the Editor in the 
    Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette and even the Daily Illini are one of the few 
    ways to join a general political discussion locally.
>>~ Demands to elected 
    representatives. People in Champaign-Urbana are represented in Congress by 
    Senators Dick Durbin and Mark Kirk, and by Representative Rodney Davis. All 
    three support the administration's wars and assassinations - and are in fact 
    urging Obama to expand the killing. You can register your opinion by calling 
    their Washington DC offices, which can be reached at 202-224-3121. (Say that 
    you are calling from Illinois' 13th Congressional District.)
>>~ Internet 
    presence. AWARE conducts two email mailing lists, which you can join on the 
    websites: <https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace> for  announcements, and, for discussion of the war, <https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss>.  You can join the discussion on our Facebook page: <https://www.facebook.com/groups/305897426305/>.
>>
>>AWARE 
    honors the whistleblowers - Manning, Assange, Snowden
>>and others - 
    persecuted by the Obama 
    administration
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