[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Press release

Sat Dec 28 03:29:00 UTC 2013

Hey Rohn,

AWARE has had its issues, and I'll let others speak for themselves; as far as me, I was never accused by anyone of being disruptive, and I certainly was not--perhaps I should have tried harder to be more so. It's amazing how such a story might spread, and I hope you'll be careful about repeating such scurrilous allegations, otherwise known as malicious gossip. I stopped attending AWARE meetings in 2006 for personal reasons. Anyone who would accuse me of being disruptive in that regard has an axe to grind in another context, probably in relation to I/P, or at some other personal level.

Rohn, if you hear such allegations, it would be respectful of you to confirm them with the accused instead of simply believing them and having them "confirmed" by repetition in the local progressive feedback loop. Or you might at least take them with a grain of salt. In very few cases is the disruption what it appears to be on the surface, no matter how personally some people might take things.

By the way, I busted my ass for about 2 or 3 years to take minutes at meetings and work the Farmers market from all angles, from ordering supplies to setting up to taking down; not to mention a teach-in I helped to organize in 2002, writing up fliers, etc. I have a feeling that most the gossip-mongers you refer to probably did much less, not that I cared at the time.

I'm more inclined to believe that Obama's election and a reluctance to criticize him is at the root of this particular antiwar organization's conflicts, as it was with so many others around the country. 

Regarding Yaaqov, I think his tone and tactics have a long if little noted sordid history in what is called the progressive community in CU. He's like a walking stereotype of an Israeli "progressive." He's just bad news, he's a racist, he's an absolute clown at an intellectual level, and you might like to direct some of your scurrilous allegations his way.

David

On Friday, December 27, 2013 8:43 PM, Rohn Koester <rohnkoester at gmail.com> wrote:

Karen, I have to admit that I wasn't sure to whom you were referring
>when you wrote this. I suppose it was meant to be Ya'aqov? Just as a
>matter of fact, I've talked with probably two dozen people in the
>community who used to be members of AWARE but say they were driven
>away by rude, disruptive, calculated behavior on the part of Carl,
>Wayne, and/or David. These are unsolicited accounts, usually told to
>me when I've mentioned AWARE, and the general attitude of the accounts
>has been corroborated by several people who are still active members
>of AWARE. Much of this has reminded me of the sort of
>avoidance/compensation behavior that families of alcoholics engage in.
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>I don't think anyone would claim the peace-discuss listserv really has
>many discussions at this point, not because there aren't differences
>of opinion but because the likelihood of these differences being given
>any sort of respectful treatment seems pretty low. I wonder if someone
>could describe the peace-discuss listserv's standards of conduct and
>how they're enforced. For instance, Wayne's message about Ya'aqov from
>a few hours ago made no attempt to address the political subject under
>discussion, and it seemed quite abusive in tone. Should this sort of
>comment be given the same access to the listserv as comments with
>substance?
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>I'm glad to have this conversation in person if it's better for
>everyone -- which bar do you all plan to be meeting at this Sunday?
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>Thanks,
>Rohn
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>On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> At one time they followed the below, today they simply criticize, agitate,
>> disrupt, and/or slander in an effort to discredit those who are involved in
>> attempting to change the system.  Somehow insisting they can do or think
>> better. When given the opportunity to do, they don't. It then becomes
>> obvious who and what they are, time and time again they will go after
>> individuals and groups and its always the same, instead of working to change
>> whats wrong they go after those that are, by wearing them down or just
>> boring them to death. It's one of those things you can't really discribe,
>> but you know it when you see or hear it.
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>> The technical term:
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>> An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is an undercover agent
>> who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or
>> falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act. An agent provocateur
>> may be employed by the police or other entity to discredit or harm another
>> group (e.g., peaceful protest or demonstration) by provoking them to commit
>> an act - thus, undermining the protest or demonstration as whole.
>> To prevent infiltration by agents provocateurs,[1] the organizers of large
>> or controversial assemblies may deploy and coordinate demonstration
>> marshals, also called stewards.[2][3]
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>> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:31:38 -0600
>> From: yaaqovz at gmail.com
>> To: davegreen84 at yahoo.com
>> CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net;
>> discuss-communitycourtwatch at lists.chambana.net; peace at lists.chambana.net
>> Subject: Re: [Peace] Press release
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>> Indeed, the meeting I referred to was at CPL a panel you were on. My
>> specific question to Dr Abu Al-Aish at UFL, was about Vittorio Arrigoni and
>> his assassination by Hamas. The level of your purposeful misquoting my
>> statements at that and other meetings critically disappoints me. If this is
>> what an academic does when getting into politics, don't we have such
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>> Your ethnic profiling of me is indicative of the depth you would apply to
>> someone challenging your standpoint. You would think, it's your campaign
>> related need to tarnish one's image and trivialize her/his comments.  After
>> all, you are trying so hard to show you are concerned and involved with your
>> potential voters (yet in the face of disagreements, you do whatever it takes
>> to defend your ticket, it's a mere technicality to pass over a hurdle).
>> Did you really need to embed your reply with offensive remarks, character
>> assassination attempts?  isn’t Rush Limbaugh an excellent spokesperson for
>> doing that already?
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>> And you haven’t answered yet my question: what you considered Palestinians
>> (?) other than by implying they are those people that Israelis have been
>> been horrible with.  Mind you, you propose no change about that,
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