[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Press release

Sat Dec 28 16:28:21 UTC 2013

Yaqov,

You are guilty of what you accuse David Green of doing.

You still have not answered my question ;

 "What are YOUR views 
on a peaceful settlement of the middle east conflict, in particular the 
Palastinian - Israeli conflict " ?

David Johnson
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ya'aQov 
  To: David Green 
  Cc: Peace Discuss ; C. G. Estabrook ; discuss-communitycourtwatch at lists.chambana.net 
  Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Press release

  I asked you a simple question, Carl answered, you didn’t.  You keep giving us homework Prof. Green, rather than clearly answering a simple question.  The fact you repeated your mantra for 15 years doesn’t mean you were responsibly clear.  

  I won’t be willing to satisfy your campaign need for a spectacle-match each time you’re asked a simple question.  I’m sure your bouncers would be there for you.

  Ya'aqov

  On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 9:18 AM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

    Right Yaaqov, my views on I/P have never been challenged during my 15 years in CU, and I've never expressed my views of the conflict clearly. So in case you're not satisfied, my challenge to engage in public debate as part of my campaign or otherwise still stands. I'm sure AWARE will be happy to sponsor that. You are one threadbare Zionist. 

    If I were to be elected to Congress, I would be alone in my advocacy for a just settlement to the conflict in accordance with international law, as supported by the international community--countries other than the U.S. and Israel.

    On Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:57 AM, ya'aQov <yaaqovz at gmail.com> wrote:

      Thanks Carl.  

      My easy question was intended to provide David Green a platform for HIS new ideas, if any.  D. Green did not see the opportunity, he rather turned my offer into a venue for his traditional flaunting of academic despiteness, that despite his being Jewish, he will attack Israeli Jews for their racist country, etc. etc.

      As congressman for IL-13, D. Green would be responsible to place ‘Palestinians’ also in some historic context and trajectory where Palestinian decision makers have been responsible for their acts vis-a-vis Israelis.  D. Green is still short of talking about THAT.

      I received a couple of eMails from people who consider themselves D. Green’s bouncers,  responsible to protect him from any challenge and dissent.  Those notes clarified for me also why would he use offensive and profiling remarks: he was using that as code asking for his bouncers to intervene.  Way to go to Congress. 

      Ya'aqov

      On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:06 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:

        These are not difficult questions. Palestinians are inhabitants of the territories - the West Bank and Gaza - illegally occupied and blockaded by Israel. It would be 'helpful' indeed for Israel to obey international law, end the occupation, and cease its oppression of the inhabitants of the territories.

        That Israel is an officially racist state - legally privileging one group defined by descent - is not in itself directly connected to the occupation. (I.e., Israel would remain a racist state even if the occupation were dissolved.)

        The important point for us Americans is that none of Israel's crimes would be possible without the support - political, military, economic, and diplomatic - provided by the US government. It is only this US support that has blocked the international consensus - which has existed for a generation - for a 'two-state solution.'

        I think David Green and Medea Benjamin are quite right about the negotiations with Iran. Our junior senator's actions are nothing short of criminal: his proposed bill is a violation of the UN charter, which forbids the threat as well as the use of force in international relations.

        Members and friends of AWARE are writing Sen. Kirk to say so at <http://www.kirk.senate.gov/?p=comment_on_legislation>.

        --CGE

        On Dec 27, 2013, at 11:01 AM, ya'aQov <yaaqovz at gmail.com> wrote:

        > David Green,
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        > While I firmly support P5+1 talks with Iran, I am not convinced of your support.  I have often heard you   supporting Palestinian propaganda slogans, as long as they were against, as you put it, Israel and AIPAC.  By 'Israel' you  shortcut  to 'Zionists', 'bad guys'. So I knew what you were against.   But I don't quite know what you are for.   Would you please state what you consider 'Palestinians' and what you think would be helpful to the Palestinians? I would appreciate your limiting your answer to one paragraph.  Thank you,
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        > Ya'aqov Ziso
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        > On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 10:00 AM, David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:
        > This was sent to 27 editors and reporters in IL-13.
        > Press Release: David Green supports P5+1 talks with Iran and opposes attempts to undermine them with further sanctions against Iran
        > David Green, candidate for U.S. Congress in IL-13, agrees with a statement by antiwar activist Media Benjamin regarding a positive development in 2013:
        > “Talks with Iran are progressing, despite Israel and AIPAC’s objections. The P5+1 group of Britain, China, France, Russia, the United States and Germany has made great headway in finding a solution to diffuse the crisis around Iran’s nuclear program. Negotiators are anxious to take advantage of the opening represented by the election of a moderate Iranian leader, President Hassan Rouhani. Sadly, a group of both Democrats and Republicans in Congress, along with the AIPAC lobby, threaten to derail the talks by pushing for greater sanctions against Iran. If we can move ahead with talks, 2014 could be the year we finally ditch the Bush-era “axis of evil” treatment and build friendly relations with Iran.”
        > The primary Republican sponsor of the Senate bill that threatens greater sanctions against Iran is our own Senator Mark Kirk. David Green firmly opposes his dangerous and potentially destructive efforts, and calls upon his opponents in the Democratic Party for U.S. Congress in IL-13 to do the same—or to clearly state their reasons for doing otherwise.
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