[Peace-discuss] Fw: (no subject)

Tue Jan 8 00:22:55 UTC 2013

----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Johnson 
To: ewj at pigsqq.org 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)

Wayne,

the problem is private sector health care !

China use to have free health care for it's people, has that changed ?
Were you charged that amount because you are a foreigner ?

If not, 
then $ 250 may seem reasonable to you, but if you are a Chinesse worker making forty cents an hour ( average chinesse Manafacturing wage ), that would be equivalent to $ 15,000 in the U.S. based on a wage of 
$ 22.00 per hour which is the U.S. average wage.
You may be correct about not enough doctors in the U.S., but that very well could be because of another " market sollution " failure, that being the outrageous cost of higher education in the U.S..

David J.

David J.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" 
  To: David Johnson ; Peace-discuss 
  Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 10:55 AM
  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)

  I had a significant health issue that needed some attention recently and I 
  went to the local hospital emergency room with my problem and I spent
  two days at that hospital as an outpatient.  
  The hospital is  a bit less than 3 miles
  from where we live. I seldom go to the doctor unless i am sick.  I
  do have a checkup about every year though.

  All patients with new problems are processed by a doctor in the emergency
  room who evaluates your problem and routes you to a lab for some initial testing
  and to a specialist clinic or two on the upper floors.  Mind you this is a
  major hospital in one of the largest cities in the world, and it was full 
  of people.  I never had to wait more than 10 minutes to see a doctor
  or to get processed for various ultrasound, blood work, etc.

  There were no forms to fill out at any time.  (Have you every had the 
  measles?  If so how many?... )

  All of the lab work was coordinated to the doctors ordering it via his computer terminal.
  He typed in orders and printed them out and sent me to where i needed to 
  go get tests or whatever.  They put the results of the test and the blood
  work everything in my hand after the tests were run.  Everything in Chinese
  but no problem i could read the biochemical and hematologic profile and saw
  what was up.

  I had to go get my own iv stuff from the pharmacy and a bottle of saline and 
  an iv set.  They make the patients carry their own stuff and it cuts the 
  cost and reduces people traffic.

  At the end of the first day they gave me an iv and sent me home.  
  The second day they ran more tests and 
  prescribed me some pills.  I was already much better by the 2nd day.

  I got better very quickly and am recovered. 

  I had to stand in line for about 20 minutes to pay my bill.
  The total bill came to about $250 USD including all of the examinations,
  all of the meds, the iv, the needles they used, everything itemized.
  One major expense was for a drug made by Pfizer.  It cost USD$10 for a 
  two week supply.

  The USA does not make enough doctors to service the population and therein lies one of the 
  major problems.  The other problem is that americans are grossly overcharged for medicines.

  I didnt have to make an appointment with a doctor and wait days to be seen.
  I saw two specialists the same day I arrived at the hospital.
  I didnt have to fill out any endless forms about intricate details of my medical history.
  The doctor looked at me and looked at my chart and asked me a few well-directed questions.
  I did not have to deal with any snotty (snooty) medical secretaries. Not one.
  It did take me most of 2 days spent at the hospital but I am ok now.

  On 01/07/13 23:24, David Johnson wrote: 
    Unfortuantely Wayne many people are not aware of the difference between the original grassroots teaparty movement and the later astro-turf phoney teaparty front groups from the likes of the Koch Bros..

    I disagree with Ron Paul's economic policies that would continue to allow people to unnecessarily die every year from from the pay or die private health insurance industry and big pharma as well as privatatizing social security.
    I do agree with Ron Paul's policies of wanting to eliminate the federal reserve and corporate trade treaties like NAFTA and especially his views on foriegn policy and civil liberties, and Ron Paul in general has proved to be a man of principle and integrity, but I have NEVER had any use for his son Rand Paul.

    David J.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" 
      To: David Johnson 
      Cc: Peace-discuss ; sf-core 
      Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 8:13 AM
      Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)

      This is a fairly mean-spirited bit of writing with a bit 
      too much uncontrolled mockery, but it is not far from 
      the truth in many points.  

      I am not sure that Rand Who? is a "Christian Zionist", 
      but he definitely has shown some neoconnish attitudes.

      I don't like Rand Paul.  

      I don't like him at all.  He has sought money from neocon people that
      I would not want to associate with and praised some people I despise,
      like Romney, for instance.

      But am a huge fan of his principled old man.

      A lot of those who supported Ron Paul don't much care for his son.

      Ron Paul was an ob/gyn.  

      Rand Paul is an eye doctor.
      He seems to be in need of some help with his own eyes.
      He's no doubt beyond the help of Jackson Browne or Harry.

      *

      I am not so sure that the progressives ought to be so strongly
      railing against the Tea Party.  That middle-class tax increase
      is going to come right out of everybody's ass pocket, and
      most working people dont have an extra thousand or two they would
      like to send to Uncle Sam.

      I aint so sure this big government thing is everything its whacked up to be.

      On 01/07/13 20:38, David Johnson wrote: 
        by Richard Mellor

        I see the Christian Zionist and Tea Bagger NeoCon Rand Paul is in Israel affirming his support for the land where Jesus will return.  

        Paul, like his father is a doctor (I wonder if he receives Medicare money) and will no doubt by-pass Gaza.  No one wants to have to look at victims living in concentration camps for fear of having to do something about it. Paul supports the right to life but not for Palestinian children. Paul’s trip is funded by the American Family Association, and organized by “evangelical kingmaker David Lane and former pharmaceuticals executive Richard Roberts, a prominent member of the Orthodox Jewish community who donates heavily to the GOP” according to Business Insider. Politics makes strange bedfellows as the saying goes. I don’t suppose Paul will remind the Jews there that they will burn in hell if they don’t convert to his religion when Jesus gets back. I suppose the evangelical organizations that make this happen are tax-exempt not being political. This is a religious pilgrimage no doubt.

        Paul is looking at a presidential run next election as a Republican and is looking for support; after all, Obama raised $1 billion.   For that he needs to schmooze with American Zionists and the powerful pro Israel lobby, AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee.) 

        He will be meeting this week with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, President Shimon Peres, as well as other influential people favored by Washington and the Pentagon, president of the Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas and former king of Saudi Arabia Abdulluh, one of the family of theocratic thugs that runs the country. Abdullah is one of the world’s wealthiest individuals at about $21 billion according to Forbes.  He is also considered one of the world’s worst dictators but that’s never stopped US presidents and politicians before. After 911 Saudi royals got a cheap flight out of the US.  Gays, women and other religions are not the favorite of these thugs and Unions are a definite no-no. The whole group, Rand included, is like the employment line for the job with Hedley Lamarr in Blazing saddles, barring the two at the end of the line that is.

        Rand, like Obama and Madonna before him won’t be chatting with Hamas, the freely elected government of the concentration camp we know as Gaza.  Hamas are “terrorists” says Washington and too cruel to talk to.  

        How could he meet with Hamas? Paul is a doctor and values human life which is why he opposes abortion and supports a Human Life Amendment that would overturn Roe V Wade.  It shouldn't surprise anyone, defending Herman Cain during his scandal he complained that, "these days it seems like women can’t take a joke." If he’s like his Libertarian daddy he would also support workers organizing but not forcing employers to increase wages through withholding our Labor power, that’s terrorism too isn’t it?

        Paul wants small government and opposes government involvement in health care. Health care is best served by market forces like most of society’s needs. He likes medicine being a business as he is in the medical business himself. Paul also supports the misnamed Right to Work legislation that is aimed at keeping workers from organizing for better wages and conditions.  He should get along well with King Abdullah.

        By my estimation, some 140 million Americans opted out of the electoral process last election.  I wonder why.

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