[Peace-discuss] (no subject)

"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" ewj at pigsqq.org
Tue Jan 8 00:47:46 UTC 2013


There is some free health care but I registered as a
Chinese with my Chinese name and paid the standard Chinese rate.

The problem with statistics in China is that there is a
gigantic underground economy.

People making 10,000 rmb per month report 3000 per month because
at that rate there is no tax.  People making 20-30K per month
typically report 6K.

The US could make a lot more doctors for the same cost.  The
supply is kept low by design to ensure very cushy salaries for doctors.

On 01/08/13 7:11, David Johnson wrote:
> *Wayne,*
> **
> *the problem is private sector health care !*
> **
> *China use to have free health care for it's people, has that changed ?*
> *Were you charged that amount because you are a foreigner ?*
> **
> *If not, *
> *then $ 250 may seem reasonable to you, but if you are a Chinesse 
> worker making forty cents an hour ( average chinesse Manafacturing 
> wage ), that would be equivalent to $ 15,000 in the U.S. based on a 
> wage of *
> *$ 22.00 per hour which is the U.S. average wage.*
> *You may be correct about not enough doctors in the U.S., but that 
> very well could be because of another " market sollution " failure, 
> that being the outrageous cost of higher education in the U.S..*
> **
> *David J.*
> **
> **
> *David J.*
> * *
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>
>     *To:* David Johnson <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net> ; Peace-discuss
>     <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
>     *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 10:55 AM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)
>
>     I had a significant health issue that needed some attention
>     recently and I
>     went to the local hospital emergency room with my problem and I spent
>     two days at that hospital as an outpatient.
>     The hospital is  a bit less than 3 miles
>     from where we live. I seldom go to the doctor unless i am sick.  I
>     do have a checkup about every year though.
>
>     All patients with new problems are processed by a doctor in the
>     emergency
>     room who evaluates your problem and routes you to a lab for some
>     initial testing
>     and to a specialist clinic or two on the upper floors.  Mind you
>     this is a
>     major hospital in one of the largest cities in the world, and it
>     was full
>     of people.  I never had to wait more than 10 minutes to see a doctor
>     or to get processed for various ultrasound, blood work, etc.
>
>     There were no forms to fill out at any time.  (Have you every had the
>     measles?  If so how many?... )
>
>     All of the lab work was coordinated to the doctors ordering it via
>     his computer terminal.
>     He typed in orders and printed them out and sent me to where i
>     needed to
>     go get tests or whatever.  They put the results of the test and
>     the blood
>     work everything in my hand after the tests were run.  Everything
>     in Chinese
>     but no problem i could read the biochemical and hematologic
>     profile and saw
>     what was up.
>
>     I had to go get my own iv stuff from the pharmacy and a bottle of
>     saline and
>     an iv set.  They make the patients carry their own stuff and it
>     cuts the
>     cost and reduces people traffic.
>
>     At the end of the first day they gave me an iv and sent me home.
>     The second day they ran more tests and
>     prescribed me some pills.  I was already much better by the 2nd day.
>
>     I got better very quickly and am recovered.
>
>     I had to stand in line for about 20 minutes to pay my bill.
>     The total bill came to about $250 USD including all of the
>     examinations,
>     all of the meds, the iv, the needles they used, everything itemized.
>     One major expense was for a drug made by Pfizer.  It cost USD$10
>     for a
>     two week supply.
>
>     The USA does not make enough doctors to service the population and
>     therein lies one of the
>     major problems.  The other problem is that americans are grossly
>     overcharged for medicines.
>
>     I didnt have to make an appointment with a doctor and wait days to
>     be seen.
>     I saw two specialists the same day I arrived at the hospital.
>     I didnt have to fill out any endless forms about intricate details
>     of my medical history.
>     The doctor looked at me and looked at my chart and asked me a few
>     well-directed questions.
>     I did not have to deal with any snotty (snooty) medical
>     secretaries. Not one.
>     It did take me most of 2 days spent at the hospital but I am ok now.
>
>
>
>     On 01/07/13 23:24, David Johnson wrote:
>>     *Unfortuantely Wayne many people are not aware of the
>>     difference between the original grassroots teaparty movement and
>>     the later astro-turf phoney teaparty front groups from the likes
>>     of the Koch Bros..*
>>     **
>>     *I disagree with Ron Paul's economic policies that would continue
>>     to allow people to unnecessarily die every year from from the pay
>>     or die private health insurance industry and big pharma as well
>>     as privatatizing social security.*
>>     *I do agree with Ron Paul's policies of wanting to eliminate the
>>     federal reserve and corporate trade treaties like NAFTA and
>>     especially his views on foriegn policy and civil liberties, and
>>     Ron Paul in general has proved to be a man of principle and
>>     integrity, but I have NEVER had any use for his son Rand Paul.*
>>     **
>>     *David J.*
>>     **
>>
>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>         *From:* "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>
>>         *To:* David Johnson <mailto:dlj725 at hughes.net>
>>         *Cc:* Peace-discuss <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>         ; sf-core <mailto:sf-core at yahoogroups.com>
>>         *Sent:* Monday, January 07, 2013 8:13 AM
>>         *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] (no subject)
>>
>>         This is a fairly mean-spirited bit of writing with a bit
>>         too much uncontrolled mockery, but it is not far from
>>         the truth in many points.
>>
>>         I am not sure that Rand Who? is a "Christian Zionist",
>>         but he definitely has shown some neoconnish attitudes.
>>
>>         I don't like Rand Paul.
>>
>>         I don't like him at all.  He has sought money from neocon
>>         people that
>>         I would not want to associate with and praised some people I
>>         despise,
>>         like Romney, for instance.
>>
>>         But am a huge fan of his principled old man.
>>
>>         A lot of those who supported Ron Paul don't much care for his
>>         son.
>>
>>         Ron Paul was an ob/gyn.
>>
>>         Rand Paul is an eye doctor.
>>         He seems to be in need of some help with his own eyes.
>>         He's no doubt beyond the help of Jackson Browne or Harry.
>>
>>         *
>>
>>         I am not so sure that the progressives ought to be so strongly
>>         railing against the Tea Party.  That middle-class tax increase
>>         is going to come right out of everybody's ass pocket, and
>>         most working people dont have an extra thousand or two they would
>>         like to send to Uncle Sam.
>>
>>         I aint so sure this big government thing is everything its
>>         whacked up to be.
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 01/07/13 20:38, David Johnson wrote:
>>>         by Richard Mellor
>>>
>>>         I see the Christian Zionist and Tea Bagger NeoCon Rand Paul
>>>         is in Israel affirming his support for the land where Jesus
>>>         will return.
>>>
>>>         Paul, like his father is a doctor (I wonder if he receives
>>>         Medicare money) and will no doubt by-pass Gaza. No one wants
>>>         to have to look at victims living in concentration camps for
>>>         fear of having to do something about it. Paul supports the
>>>         right to life but not for Palestinian children. Paul’s trip
>>>         is funded by the American Family Association, and organized
>>>         by /“evangelical kingmaker David Lane and former
>>>         pharmaceuticals executive Richard Roberts, a prominent
>>>         member of the Orthodox Jewish community who donates heavily
>>>         to the GOP”/ according to Business Insider. Politics makes
>>>         strange bedfellows as the saying goes. I don’t suppose Paul
>>>         will remind the Jews there that they will burn in hell if
>>>         they don’t convert to his religion when Jesus gets back. I
>>>         suppose the evangelical organizations that make this happen
>>>         are tax-exempt not being political. This is a religious
>>>         pilgrimage no doubt.
>>>
>>>         Paul is looking at a presidential run next election as a
>>>         Republican and is looking for support; after all, Obama
>>>         raised $1 billion. For that he needs to schmooze with
>>>         American Zionists and the powerful pro Israel lobby, AIPAC
>>>         (American Israel Public Affairs Committee.)
>>>
>>>         He will be meeting this week with Israeli Prime Minister
>>>         Benjamin Netanyahu, President Shimon Peres, as well as other
>>>         influential people favored by Washington and the Pentagon,
>>>         president of the Palestinian Authority Mahmoud Abbas and
>>>         former king of Saudi Arabia Abdulluh, one of the family of
>>>         theocratic thugs that runs the country. Abdullah is one of
>>>         the world’s wealthiest individuals at about $21 billion
>>>         according to Forbes. He is also considered one of the
>>>         world’s worst dictators but that’s never stopped US
>>>         presidents and politicians before. After 911 Saudi royals
>>>         got a cheap flight out of the US. Gays, women and other
>>>         religions are not the favorite of these thugs and Unions are
>>>         a definite no-no. The whole group, Rand included, is like
>>>         the employment line for the job with Hedley Lamarr in
>>>         Blazing saddles, barring the two at the end of the line that is.
>>>
>>>         Rand, like Obama and Madonna before him won’t be chatting
>>>         with Hamas, the freely elected government of the
>>>         concentration camp we know as Gaza. Hamas are /“terrorists”/
>>>         says Washington and too cruel to talk to.
>>>
>>>         How could he meet with Hamas? Paul is a doctor and values
>>>         human life which is why he opposes abortion and supports a
>>>         Human Life Amendment that would overturn Roe V Wade. It
>>>         shouldn't surprise anyone, defending Herman Cain during his
>>>         scandal he complained that, /"//these days it seems like
>>>         women can’t take a joke."/ If he’s like his Libertarian
>>>         daddy he would also support workers organizing but not
>>>         forcing employers to increase wages through withholding our
>>>         Labor power, that’s terrorism too isn’t it?
>>>
>>>         Paul wants small government and opposes government
>>>         involvement in health care. Health care is best served by
>>>         market forces like most of society’s needs. He likes
>>>         medicine being a business as he is in the medical business
>>>         himself. Paul also supports the misnamed Right to Work
>>>         legislation that is aimed at keeping workers from organizing
>>>         for better wages and conditions. He should get along well
>>>         with King Abdullah.
>>>
>>>         By my estimation, some 140 million Americans opted out of
>>>         the electoral process last election. I wonder why.
>>>
>>>
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>>
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