[Peace-discuss] Reply about my so called " libel "

Fri Jan 11 15:11:12 UTC 2013

Actually I was TRYING to be respectful in my last e-mail, because I admit that I have been very rude to you in the past.
You accused me of " libel " so that is why I made it a specific reply in the subject line.

As to " conspiracist " website, nothing could be farther from the truth.
There were DOZENS of links in what I forwarded from a variety of well respected news sources that have a proven track record.
Obviously you didn't even check out a single source link.

In terms of General Smedley Butler, his analysis is as accurate now ( if not more so ) than it was in the years prior to the 1930's.
For the post world war 2 years you should check out OLiver Stone's new series on SHOWTIME, " The Untold History of the United States".

So go back to the links I sent and check out a few at least or as many as you want AND THEN we can debate it.

The TRUTH will set you free !

David Johnson

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roger Helbig 
  To: David Johnson 
  Cc: Peace-discuss 
  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:52 AM
  Subject: Re: Reply about my so called " libel "

  Don't ever call me out in the subject line of another message - it is damned rude!

  You libeled the former President and his foundation.  You have been called out to present the evidence, not your speculation or something from a conspiracist website, but actual evidence that you personally can attest to since hearsay is not permitted to be introduced in a court of law.  So, put up or shut up.

  Roger W Helbig

  Smedley Butler's piece has nothing to do with this - it certainly has no bearing on your libel of current matters - it might have some bearing on the period of time between WW-I and II.  Your throwing it out shows that you really have no actual facts to present and are just throwing up the usual stuff that may make a good protest sign!

  On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:33 AM, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:

    Mr. Helbig,

    I do NOT libel or slander !

    I always speak and write the TRUTH to the best of my ability via trying to confirm the validity and past track record of sources for my information.

    Below is a TON of info about Bill Clinton and the Haiti FEMA trailers from a variety of GOOD RELIABLE sources.

    BTW. You should read former Marine Corp General Smedley Butler's Book " War is a Racket " as well as former Green Beret Donald Duncan's book " The New Legions ".

    Also I would highly recommend Howard Zinn's classic book " A People's History of the United States ".

    If you read these books, it would more than likely help your analysis ability in being able to determine the truth from bullshit.

    Also, for daily news sources you should check-out " Democracy Now " television program as well as LINK T.V. and FREE SPEECH T.V. available on either DISH or DIRECT Sattelite T.V..

    Sincerely

    David Johnson   

    Clinton (Bill) Foundation

    I posted summary of this situation at the first links shown.

    http://haitirewired.wired.com/group/newsonhaiti/forum/topics/clinton-foundation-scandal

    http://www.facebook.com/notes/alister-wm-macintyre/clinton-foundation-scandal-part-isummary-

    from-breaking-news/10150250639564267

    Saying that these “trailers” are hurricane shelters, is some kind of oxymoron or evidence

    of promoters not knowing what they are saying or doing, given that in the USA, people

    are told to evacuate trailers when bad weather approaches.

    Here’s USA and Canadian news media with sordid details.

    http://www.thenation.com/article/161908/shelters-clinton-built

    http://www.thenation.com/slideshow/161887/slide-show-inside-clinton-foundationsshoddily-

    built-searingly-hot-and-toxic-haitihttp://

    canadiancentreinvestigates.org/haiti-shelters/

    http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigations/international/1524/the_shelters_that_c

    linton_built/

    http://news.yahoo.com/shelters-clinton-built-152744334.html

    http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2011/7/12/clinton_foundation_accused_of_sending_h

    aiti

    Here is HAITI news media on the topic.

    http://www.haitian-truth.org/another-crime-against-humanity-the-shelters-clinton-built/

    http://www.haitian-truth.org/push-to-send-fema-trailers-to-haiti-stirs-backlash-industrypush-

    to-send-leftover-fema-trailers-to-haiti-stirs-backlash-called-self-serving/

    I think these are HAITI blogs:

    http://brikourinouvelgaye.com/2011/07/11/the-shelters-that-clinton-built/

    Here are blogs, most just copying the news stories.

    http://welcome-to-pottersville2.blogspot.com/2011/07/g-s-spends-bankster-winnings-onour.

    html

    http://drupal.canadahaitiaction.ca/content/shelters-clinton-built

    http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/07/11-12

    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/962#July12t4

    http://mangodhaiti.blogspot.com/

    http://variation-urge.blogspot.com/2011/07/shelters-that-clinton-built-nation.html

    http://www.leftwingpost.com/the-shelters-that-clinton-built

    http://www.jusrhyme.com/2011/07/12/clinton-foundation-accused-of-sending-haitishoddy-

    trailers-found-toxic-after-katrina/

    http://www.mynucleus.org/story/2011/07/12/_2011_7_12_clinton_foundation_accus

    http://americanprogressivenews.com/2011/07/why-did-the-clinton-foundation-funddangerous-

    unhealthy-trailers-in-haiti/

    http://americanprogressivenews.com/2011/07/the-shelters-that-clinton-built/

    Tweets – give the effort an “F” due to the Formaldehyde

    http://naturaldisaster.tweetmeme.com/story/5721313855/the-shelters-that-clinton-builtthe-

    nation

    http://topsy.com/www.thenation.com/article/161908/shelters-clinton-built

    Similar info in forums

    http://www.thebellforum.com/showthread.php?t=53905

    http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439

    x1469193

    http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24912

    Video Shows:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL6VjgC3uDg

    http://www.thenation.com/signup/161887?destination=slideshow/161887/slide-showinside-

    clinton-foundations-shoddily-built-searingly-hot-and-toxic-haiti-

    Since so many do a good job of linking to the original, we can search for Link: original

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Link%3A+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2F

    article%2F161908%2Fshelters-clinton-built&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-

    8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

    The project was announced by Clinton as his foundation's first contribution to the Interim

    Haiti Recovery Commission, which the former president co-chairs. The foundation

    described the project as "hurricane-proof...emergency shelters that can also serve as

    schools...to ensure the safety of vulnerable populations in high risk areas during the

    hurricane season," while also providing Haitian schoolchildren "a decent place to learn"

    and creating local jobs. The facilities, according to the foundation, would be equipped

    with power generators, restrooms, water and sanitary storage. They became one of the

    IHRC's first projects.

    Here's what was promised thru the IHRC project.

    http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/files/managed/IHRC%20proposal-haiti.pdf

    The facilities, according to the foundation, would be equipped with power generators,

    restrooms, water and sanitary storage. So far they do not have so much as a single latrine

    supplied.

    Some projects are more interested in profits for corporate participants, than in value for

    money invested. It is sometimes called “exploitation via disaster capitalism.”

    One million dollars for 20 double-wides, with no A/C...toilets...water?

    Remember formaldehyde in Katrina trailers via FEMA? The same company has been

    paid by the Clinton Foundation to build the same kind of technology for Haiti school

    children, and to be hurricane shelters.

    The trailers have been tested. The same deadly levels of formaldehyde found there.

    Here are the lab results:

    http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/files/managed/Haiti%20lab%20results.pdf

    Children symptoms can be explained by the high levels of formaldehyde.

    Apparently many USA homes have safe levels of the stuff, so it is important to identify

    levels found in Haiti vs. know what levels are safe.

    http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehhe/trailerstudy/compendium.htm

    What does it say about the reconstruction efforts in Haiti if the very first project approved

    by the commission that is supposed to ensure accountability and transparency in Haiti’s

    rebuilding passes this kind of project and Bill Clinton himself has his hands all over it?,”

    says Macdonald. “He is the co-chair of this commission that is supposed to ensure Haiti

    is built back better.”

    Greg Higgins wrote on Haiti Rewired

    http://haitirewired.wired.com/group/architectureforhaiti?commentId=4920407%3ACom

    ment%3A55619&xg_source=msg_com_group

    The Clayton Homes + Clinton scandal was predictable. If former President Clinton had

    surrounded himself with a dozen of the best architects and engineers money could buy (as

    in experienced and independent), this would likely not have happened. Shipping "offthe-

    shelf" prefab schools to Haiti, as it appears they were, has to rank as one of the

    dumbest moves yet. FYI: here's a Clayton Homes press release from last year about

    these school buildings:

    http://www.claytonhomes.com/cla

    When 

    Nation reporters visited the "hurricane-proof" shelters in June, six to eight months 
    after they'd been installed, we found them to consist of twenty imported prefab trailers

    beset by a host of problems, from mold to sweltering heat to shoddy construction. Most

    disturbing, they were manufactured by the same company, Clayton Homes, which is

    being sued in the United States for providing the Federal Emergency Management

    Agency (FEMA) with formaldehyde-laced trailers in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. Air

    samples collected from twelve Haiti trailers detected worrying levels of this carcinogen in

    one, according to laboratory results obtained as part of a joint investigation by 

    The Nation 
    and The Nation Institute's Investigative Fund.

    By mid-June, two of the four schools where the Clinton Foundation classrooms were

    installed had prematurely ended classes for the summer because the temperature in the

    trailers frequently exceeded 100 degrees, and one had yet to open for lack of water and

    sanitation facilities.

    As Judith Seide, a student in Lubert's sixth-grade class, explained to 

    The Nation, she and 
    her classmates regularly suffer from painful headaches in their new Clinton Foundation

    classroom. Every day, she said, her "head hurts and I feel it spinning and have to stop

    moving, otherwise I'd fall." Her vision goes dark, as is the case with her classmate Judel,

    who sometimes can't open his eyes because, said Seide, "he's allergic to the heat." Their

    teacher regularly relocates the class outside into the shade of the trailer because the

    swelter inside is insufferable.

    But headaches were not the only health problems students, staff and parents at the Institut

    Haitiano-Caribbean (INHAC) told us they've suffered from since the inauguration of the

    classrooms. Innocent Sylvain, a shy janitor who looks much older than his 41 years,

    spends more time than anyone in the new trailer classrooms, with the inglorious task of

    mopping up the water that leaks through the doors and windows each time it rains. He

    has felt a burning sensation in his eyes ever since he began working long hours in the

    trailers. One of his eyes is completely bloodshot, and he said, "They itch and burn." He'd

    previously been sensitive to eye irritation, but he says he's had worse "problems since the

    month of January"—when the schoolrooms opened their doors.

    Any number of factors might be contributing to the headaches and eye irritation reported

    by INHAC staff and students. However, similar symptoms were experienced by those

    living in the FEMA trailers that were found by the Centers for Disease Control and

    Prevention to have unsafe levels of formaldehyde. Lab tests conducted as part of our

    investigation in Haiti discovered levels of the carcinogen in the sixth-grade Clinton

    Foundation classroom in Léogâne at 250 parts per billion—two and a half times the level

    at which the CDC warned FEMA trailer residents that sensitive people, such as children,

    could face adverse health effects. Assay Technologies, the accredited lab that analyzed

    the air tests, identifies 100 parts per billion and more as the level at which "65–80 percent

    of the population will most likely exhibit some adverse health symptoms...when exposed

    continually over extended periods of time."

    The 

    Knoxville News Sentinel reported that Clayton Homes had been awarded a milliondollar 
    contract to ship twenty trailers to Haiti, for use as classrooms for schoolchildren.

    The Clinton Foundation claims it went through a bidding process before awarding the

    contract to Clayton Homes, which was already embroiled in the FEMA trailer lawsuit.

    But despite repeated requests, the foundation has not provided 

    The Nation with any 
    documentation of this process.

    Bradley Mellicker, IOM’s Port-au-Prince–based emergency preparedness and response

    officer, said, “The Clinton Foundation paid for the containers through a no-bid process.”

    Imogen Wall, former spokeswoman for OCHA in Haiti, responded by e-mail that OCHA

    never deals with procurement or project management.

    The Clinton Foundation did not build so much as a latrine at the school, or at any of the

    three other schools where its trailers were installed. (INHAC and two of the other schools

    had a limited number of pre-existing outhouses, which the school directors saw as

    inadequate, while the fourth did not have a single outhouse, making it unusable,

    according to the school’s director.)

    Conille, Clinton’s chief of staff at his UN office, acknowledged in a telephone interview

    that the trailer classrooms “would never meet the standards for school building” under

    Haitian or international regulations.

    Larry Tanner, a wind science specialist at Texas Tech University, was “suspicious” when

    he heard that trailers were to be used as hurricane shelters in Haiti. Tanner thought it

    unlikely that Clayton Homes had developed a mobile home that could safely be used as a

    hurricane shelter, saying in a telephone interview that he put the odds at “slim to none.”

    Mobile homes are considered by FEMA to be so unsafe in hurricanes that the agency

    unequivocally advises the public to evacuate them.

    In an interview with 

    The Nation, Clayton Homes engineer Mark Izzo said the Léogâne 
    trailers could withstand winds of up to 140 miles per hour. The company arrived at this

    figure through calculations, he said, rather than testing.

    But Tanner emphasizes that such structures must be rigorously tested for resistance to

    high winds and projectiles. Clayton Homes’ failure to test the trailers meant that they

    would not meet the international construction standard for hurricane shelter. “It certainly

    would not be accepted by FEMA either,” Tanner added. Moreover, the kind of anchoring

    systems used by the trailers in Léogâne—which rely on metal straps to attach the shelter

    to the ground—“fail routinely,” according to Tanner.

    Two weeks into Haiti’s hurricane season, 

    The Nation visited some of the Clinton shelters 
    with Kit Miyamoto, a California-based structural engineer contracted by USAID and the

    Haitian government to assess the safety of buildings in Port-au-Prince. Standing in front

    of one of the trailers, Miyamoto looked doubtful when asked whether, in his professional

    view, these structures were, as the Clinton Foundation has repeatedly claimed,

    “hurricane–proof.” In the world of engineering, buildings are rarely considered to be truly

    hurricane-proof, explained Miyamoto, who said he had never heard of a wooden trailer

    being used as a hurricane shelter, let alone being referred to as a hurricane-proof building.

    “To be hurricane-proof you a need a heavier structure with concrete or blocks,” he

    explained.

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