[Peace-discuss] Reply about my so called " libel "

[Roger Helbig]

Don't ever call me out in the subject line of another message - it is
damned rude!

You libeled the former President and his foundation.  You have been called
out to present the evidence, not your speculation or something from a
conspiracist website, but actual evidence that you personally can attest to
since hearsay is not permitted to be introduced in a court of law.  So, put
up or shut up.

Roger W Helbig

Smedley Butler's piece has nothing to do with this - it certainly has no
bearing on your libel of current matters - it might have some bearing on
the period of time between WW-I and II.  Your throwing it out shows that
you really have no actual facts to present and are just throwing up the
usual stuff that may make a good protest sign!

On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:33 AM, David Johnson <dlj725 at hughes.net> wrote:

> **
>
> Mr. Helbig,
>
> I do NOT libel or slander !
>
> I always speak and write the TRUTH to the best of my ability via trying to
> confirm the validity and past track record of sources for my information.
>
> Below is a TON of info about Bill Clinton and the Haiti FEMA trailers from
> a variety of GOOD RELIABLE sources.
>
> BTW. You should read former Marine Corp General Smedley Butler's Book "
> War is a Racket " as well as former Green Beret Donald Duncan's book " The
> New Legions ".
>
> Also I would highly recommend Howard Zinn's classic book " A People's
> History of the United States ".
>
> If you read these books, it would more than likely help your analysis
> ability in being able to determine the truth from bullshit.
>
> Also, for daily news sources you should check-out " Democracy Now "
> television program as well as LINK T.V. and FREE SPEECH T.V. available on
> either DISH or DIRECT Sattelite T.V..
>
> Sincerely
>
> David Johnson
>
>
>
> *Clinton (Bill) Foundation*
>
> I posted summary of this situation at the first links shown.
>
>
> http://haitirewired.wired.com/group/newsonhaiti/forum/topics/clinton-foundation-scandal
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/notes/alister-wm-macintyre/clinton-foundation-scandal-part-isummary-
>
> from-breaking-news/10150250639564267
>
> Saying that these “trailers” are hurricane shelters, is some kind of
> oxymoron or evidence
>
> of promoters not knowing what they are saying or doing, given that in the
> USA, people
>
> are told to evacuate trailers when bad weather approaches.
>
> Here’s USA and Canadian news media with sordid details.
>
> http://www.thenation.com/article/161908/shelters-clinton-built
>
>
> http://www.thenation.com/slideshow/161887/slide-show-inside-clinton-foundationsshoddily-
>
> built-searingly-hot-and-toxic-haitihttp://
>
> canadiancentreinvestigates.org/haiti-shelters/
>
>
> http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/investigations/international/1524/the_shelters_that_c
>
> linton_built/
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/shelters-clinton-built-152744334.html
>
>
> http://www.democracynow.org/seo/2011/7/12/clinton_foundation_accused_of_sending_h
>
> aiti
>
> Here is HAITI news media on the topic.
>
>
> http://www.haitian-truth.org/another-crime-against-humanity-the-shelters-clinton-built/
>
>
> http://www.haitian-truth.org/push-to-send-fema-trailers-to-haiti-stirs-backlash-industrypush-
>
> to-send-leftover-fema-trailers-to-haiti-stirs-backlash-called-self-serving/
>
> I think these are HAITI blogs:
>
> http://brikourinouvelgaye.com/2011/07/11/the-shelters-that-clinton-built/
>
> Here are blogs, most just copying the news stories.
>
>
> http://welcome-to-pottersville2.blogspot.com/2011/07/g-s-spends-bankster-winnings-onour
> .
>
> html
>
> http://drupal.canadahaitiaction.ca/content/shelters-clinton-built
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/07/11-12
>
> http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/962#July12t4
>
> http://mangodhaiti.blogspot.com/
>
>
> http://variation-urge.blogspot.com/2011/07/shelters-that-clinton-built-nation.html
>
> http://www.leftwingpost.com/the-shelters-that-clinton-built
>
>
> http://www.jusrhyme.com/2011/07/12/clinton-foundation-accused-of-sending-haitishoddy-
>
> trailers-found-toxic-after-katrina/
>
>
> http://www.mynucleus.org/story/2011/07/12/_2011_7_12_clinton_foundation_accus
>
>
> http://americanprogressivenews.com/2011/07/why-did-the-clinton-foundation-funddangerous-
>
> unhealthy-trailers-in-haiti/
>
> http://americanprogressivenews.com/2011/07/the-shelters-that-clinton-built/
>
> Tweets – give the effort an “F” due to the Formaldehyde
>
>
> http://naturaldisaster.tweetmeme.com/story/5721313855/the-shelters-that-clinton-builtthe-
>
> nation
>
> http://topsy.com/www.thenation.com/article/161908/shelters-clinton-built
>
> Similar info in forums
>
> http://www.thebellforum.com/showthread.php?t=53905
>
>
> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439
>
> x1469193
>
> http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=24912
>
> Video Shows:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL6VjgC3uDg
>
>
> http://www.thenation.com/signup/161887?destination=slideshow/161887/slide-showinside-
>
> clinton-foundations-shoddily-built-searingly-hot-and-toxic-haiti-
>
> Since so many do a good job of linking to the original, we can search for
> Link: original
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=Link%3A+http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenation.com%2F
>
> article%2F161908%2Fshelters-clinton-built&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-
>
> 8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>
> The project was announced by Clinton as his foundation's first
> contribution to the Interim
>
> Haiti Recovery Commission, which the former president co-chairs. The
> foundation
>
> described the project as "hurricane-proof...emergency shelters that can
> also serve as
>
> schools...to ensure the safety of vulnerable populations in high risk
> areas during the
>
> hurricane season," while also providing Haitian schoolchildren "a decent
> place to learn"
>
> and creating local jobs. The facilities, according to the foundation,
> would be equipped
>
> with power generators, restrooms, water and sanitary storage. They became
> one of the
>
> IHRC's first projects.
>
> Here's what was promised thru the IHRC project.
>
> http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/files/managed/IHRC%20proposal-haiti.pdf
>
> The facilities, according to the foundation, would be equipped with power
> generators,
>
> restrooms, water and sanitary storage. So far they do not have so much as
> a single latrine
>
> supplied.
>
> Some projects are more interested in profits for corporate participants,
> than in value for
>
> money invested. It is sometimes called “exploitation via disaster
> capitalism.”
>
> One million dollars for 20 double-wides, with no A/C...toilets...water?
>
> Remember formaldehyde in Katrina trailers via FEMA? The same company has
> been
>
> paid by the Clinton Foundation to build the same kind of technology for
> Haiti school
>
> children, and to be hurricane shelters.
>
> The trailers have been tested. The same deadly levels of formaldehyde
> found there.
>
> Here are the lab results:
>
> http://www.theinvestigativefund.org/files/managed/Haiti%20lab%20results.pdf
>
> Children symptoms can be explained by the high levels of formaldehyde.
>
> Apparently many USA homes have safe levels of the stuff, so it is
> important to identify
>
> levels found in Haiti vs. know what levels are safe.
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/ehhe/trailerstudy/compendium.htm
>
> What does it say about the reconstruction efforts in Haiti if the very
> first project approved
>
> by the commission that is supposed to ensure accountability and
> transparency in Haiti’s
>
> rebuilding passes this kind of project and Bill Clinton himself has his
> hands all over it?,”
>
> says Macdonald. “He is the co-chair of this commission that is supposed to
> ensure Haiti
>
> is built back better.”
>
> Greg Higgins wrote on Haiti Rewired
>
>
> http://haitirewired.wired.com/group/architectureforhaiti?commentId=4920407%3ACom
>
> ment%3A55619&xg_source=msg_com_group
>
> The Clayton Homes + Clinton scandal was predictable. If former President
> Clinton had
>
> surrounded himself with a dozen of the best architects and engineers money
> could buy (as
>
> in experienced and independent), this would likely not have happened.
> Shipping "offthe-
>
> shelf" prefab schools to Haiti, as it appears they were, has to rank as
> one of the
>
> dumbest moves yet. FYI: here's a Clayton Homes press release from last
> year about
>
> these school buildings:
>
> http://www.claytonhomes.com/cla
>
> When
> *Nation *reporters visited the "hurricane-proof" shelters in June, six to
> eight months
>
> after they'd been installed, we found them to consist of twenty imported
> prefab trailers
>
> beset by a host of problems, from mold to sweltering heat to shoddy
> construction. Most
>
> disturbing, they were manufactured by the same company, Clayton Homes,
> which is
>
> being sued in the United States for providing the Federal Emergency
> Management
>
> Agency (FEMA) with formaldehyde-laced trailers in the wake of Hurricane
> Katrina. Air
>
> samples collected from twelve Haiti trailers detected worrying levels of
> this carcinogen in
>
> one, according to laboratory results obtained as part of a joint
> investigation by
> *The Nation*
>
> and The Nation Institute's Investigative Fund.
>
> By mid-June, two of the four schools where the Clinton Foundation
> classrooms were
>
> installed had prematurely ended classes for the summer because the
> temperature in the
>
> trailers frequently exceeded 100 degrees, and one had yet to open for lack
> of water and
>
> sanitation facilities.
>
> As Judith Seide, a student in Lubert's sixth-grade class, explained to
> *The Nation*, she and
>
> her classmates regularly suffer from painful headaches in their new
> Clinton Foundation
>
> classroom. Every day, she said, her "head hurts and I feel it spinning and
> have to stop
>
> moving, otherwise I'd fall." Her vision goes dark, as is the case with her
> classmate Judel,
>
> who sometimes can't open his eyes because, said Seide, "he's allergic to
> the heat." Their
>
> teacher regularly relocates the class outside into the shade of the
> trailer because the
>
> swelter inside is insufferable.
>
> But headaches were not the only health problems students, staff and
> parents at the Institut
>
> Haitiano-Caribbean (INHAC) told us they've suffered from since the
> inauguration of the
>
> classrooms. Innocent Sylvain, a shy janitor who looks much older than his
> 41 years,
>
> spends more time than anyone in the new trailer classrooms, with the
> inglorious task of
>
> mopping up the water that leaks through the doors and windows each time it
> rains. He
>
> has felt a burning sensation in his eyes ever since he began working long
> hours in the
>
> trailers. One of his eyes is completely bloodshot, and he said, "They itch
> and burn." He'd
>
> previously been sensitive to eye irritation, but he says he's had worse
> "problems since the
>
> month of January"—when the schoolrooms opened their doors.
>
> Any number of factors might be contributing to the headaches and eye
> irritation reported
>
> by INHAC staff and students. However, similar symptoms were experienced by
> those
>
> living in the FEMA trailers that were found by the Centers for Disease
> Control and
>
> Prevention to have unsafe levels of formaldehyde. Lab tests conducted as
> part of our
>
> investigation in Haiti discovered levels of the carcinogen in the
> sixth-grade Clinton
>
> Foundation classroom in Léogâne at 250 parts per billion—two and a half
> times the level
>
> at which the CDC warned FEMA trailer residents that sensitive people, such
> as children,
>
> could face adverse health effects. Assay Technologies, the accredited lab
> that analyzed
>
> the air tests, identifies 100 parts per billion and more as the level at
> which "65–80 percent
>
> of the population will most likely exhibit some adverse health
> symptoms...when exposed
>
> continually over extended periods of time."
>
> The
> *Knoxville News Sentinel *reported that Clayton Homes had been awarded a
> milliondollar
>
> contract to ship twenty trailers to Haiti, for use as classrooms for
> schoolchildren.
>
> The Clinton Foundation claims it went through a bidding process before
> awarding the
>
> contract to Clayton Homes, which was already embroiled in the FEMA trailer
> lawsuit.
>
> But despite repeated requests, the foundation has not provided
> *The Nation *with any
>
> documentation of this process.
>
> Bradley Mellicker, IOM’s Port-au-Prince–based emergency preparedness and
> response
>
> officer, said, “The Clinton Foundation paid for the containers through a
> no-bid process.”
>
> Imogen Wall, former spokeswoman for OCHA in Haiti, responded by e-mail
> that OCHA
>
> never deals with procurement or project management.
>
> The Clinton Foundation did not build so much as a latrine at the school,
> or at any of the
>
> three other schools where its trailers were installed. (INHAC and two of
> the other schools
>
> had a limited number of pre-existing outhouses, which the school directors
> saw as
>
> inadequate, while the fourth did not have a single outhouse, making it
> unusable,
>
> according to the school’s director.)
>
> Conille, Clinton’s chief of staff at his UN office, acknowledged in a
> telephone interview
>
> that the trailer classrooms “would never meet the standards for school
> building” under
>
> Haitian or international regulations.
>
> Larry Tanner, a wind science specialist at Texas Tech University, was
> “suspicious” when
>
> he heard that trailers were to be used as hurricane shelters in Haiti.
> Tanner thought it
>
> unlikely that Clayton Homes had developed a mobile home that could safely
> be used as a
>
> hurricane shelter, saying in a telephone interview that he put the odds at
> “slim to none.”
>
> Mobile homes are considered by FEMA to be so unsafe in hurricanes that the
> agency
>
> unequivocally advises the public to evacuate them.
>
> In an interview with
> *The Nation*, Clayton Homes engineer Mark Izzo said the Léogâne
>
> trailers could withstand winds of up to 140 miles per hour. The company
> arrived at this
>
> figure through calculations, he said, rather than testing.
>
> But Tanner emphasizes that such structures must be rigorously tested for
> resistance to
>
> high winds and projectiles. Clayton Homes’ failure to test the trailers
> meant that they
>
> would not meet the international construction standard for hurricane
> shelter. “It certainly
>
> would not be accepted by FEMA either,” Tanner added. Moreover, the kind of
> anchoring
>
> systems used by the trailers in Léogâne—which rely on metal straps to
> attach the shelter
>
> to the ground—“fail routinely,” according to Tanner.
>
> Two weeks into Haiti’s hurricane season,
> *The Nation *visited some of the Clinton shelters
>
> with Kit Miyamoto, a California-based structural engineer contracted by
> USAID and the
>
> Haitian government to assess the safety of buildings in Port-au-Prince.
> Standing in front
>
> of one of the trailers, Miyamoto looked doubtful when asked whether, in
> his professional
>
> view, these structures were, as the Clinton Foundation has repeatedly
> claimed,
>
> “hurricane–proof.” In the world of engineering, buildings are rarely
> considered to be truly
>
> hurricane-proof, explained Miyamoto, who said he had never heard of a
> wooden trailer
>
> being used as a hurricane shelter, let alone being referred to as a
> hurricane-proof building.
>
> “To be hurricane-proof you a need a heavier structure with concrete or
> blocks,” he
>
> explained.
>
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