[Peace-discuss] at SignOn: NPR, CFR: Don't Enable Elliott Abrams' Smear Campaign on Chuck Hagel

[Carl G. Estabrook]

Didn't you recently refer to yourself as a "pro-Obama Jew," Bob?

Well, I'm opposed to Obama's murderous policies (and only spiritually a Jew*): the appointment of Hagel seems to me just a cynical cover for the appointment of John Brennan to the CIA, and for the promotion of the policies that that filthy spook has been administering for Obama. 

Some intelligent observers think otherwise (e.g. <http://mondoweiss.net/2013/01/antiwar-president-support.html>) - but that seems wishful thinking. US war policy remains remarkably consistent, barring major domestic opposition. Hagel is meant precisely to prevent the growth of such opposition.

(The Hagel appointment may however indicate something else that's been true for a long time: the position of the government of Israel is less important to US war planners than either that government's friends or enemies think.) 

--CGE
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* "Spiritually we are all Semites." --Pope Pius XI, 1938


On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:

> Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree about this. What you say wasn't my intention in the words that I chose. 
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> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
> Sure it does. The petition calls on the president of NPR "not to enable the smear campaign of Elliott Abrams."
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> I'm sure that Knell (great name) is supposed to think, "Oh, OK: I won't 'enable' Abrams' campaign - by interviewing as well someone who says something different (which of course I already do)."
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> What the petition says is, don't pull Obama's beard - don't air criticism of his stalking horse.  
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> On Jan 11, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
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>> It doesn't call for NPR to not say something. It doesn't call for any specific action. It just says "not enable."
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>> I think there two acceptable paths:
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>> 1) not have someone like Elliott Abrams on as a guest
>> 2) have him on, but have him seriously challenged.
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>> NPR did neither one.
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>> The BBC, if they were going to do an interview like that, would have someone who was prepared to really challenge, either a reporter who was prepared to really challenge, or another guest who was prepared to really challenge, *at the same time.* It doesn't undo the damage of a smear to have someone else on at another time who says something else.
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>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> And it calls for NPR *not* to say something.
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>> NPR has become a shameful apologist for government crimes, but the cure for bad speech is more speech, not less.  
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>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
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>>> The point here is Elliott Abrams, not Chuck Hagel or Barack Obama. There's nothing in the petition that says I support Obama or Hagel. It's all about Elliott Abrams.
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>>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> And give Obama cover for his child-murders?
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>>> On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
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>>>> Can you help me get this rolling?
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>>>> http://signon.org/sign/npr-cfr-dont-enable-elliott?source=c.url&r_by=1135580
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>> Just Foreign Policy
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> Just Foreign Policy
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