[Peace-discuss] Organize! - Carolyn Raffensperger on Justice

Stuart Levy stuartnlevy at gmail.com
Sun Jul 14 18:53:50 UTC 2013 

(removing peace at anti-war.net from the Cc list - others please do so, too.)

The admirable Carolyn Raffensperger, environmentalist and lawyer, writes 
about justice -

    [...] Serving as a juror (along with a dream about all the animals 
of the world) made me decide to become a lawyer. The realm of Justice is 
my land, my quest, my journey. The vast difference between the Zimmerman 
court room and Justice is a travesty. We have a body of law in this 
country that prevents justice. I am on fire.

someone asks, with respect to the Zimmerman case, "Would you say the 
verdict was technically correct but morally reprehensible?"

and Raffensperger responds:

*A technically correct verdict that is morally reprehensible is not 
correct in any Just sense. I do not believe in technically correct 
verdicts that destroy the fabric of justice.*



On 7/14/13 1:25 PM, milogt at aol.com wrote:
> A young kid did not make it home alive because of Zimmerman.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brussel, Morton K <brussel at illinois.edu>
> To: E. Wayne Johnson ? ?? <ewj at pigsqq.org>
> Cc: Rachel Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com>; Peace Discuss 
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; peace <peace at anti-war.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jul 14, 2013 12:54 pm
> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>
> And two other responses (from friends):
>
>   "  Zimmerman had no cause to confront Martin, and the
> police responder at 911 advised him not to.  But he got
> out of his car to do it.  Manslaughter resulted."
>
> "Racism lives.   If a black killed a white under similar circumstances 
> the black would be guilty. "
>
> --mkb
>
>
>
> On Jul 14, 2013, at 10:31 AM, E. Wayne Johnson ??? wrote:
>
>> The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the
>> Champaign Police shootings of young black men.
>>
>> Zimmerman may be an asshole or not.  I am not sure.
>> Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are
>> indeed quasi-assholes.  Not all.
>>
>> But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that basis he
>> has been set free, because of the self-defense argument.
>> The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman
>> becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.
>>
>> It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and
>> Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing a hoodie.
>> The law permits people to have encounters and disagreement.
>> When it erupts into physical violence particularly life-threatening
>> violence, then a line is crossed.  The situation was
>> examined very clearly.
>>
>> Justice my ass.
>> It's not justice that they are crying for.
>> It's blood.
>> They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
>> They want blood for bloodshed.
>>
>> Well, actually what they want is Money.
>>
>> But since there isn't any money available,
>> they'll settle for a few pints of blood,
>> and several ounces of testicular flesh if that
>> becomes available.
>>
>> It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble movement
>> like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties
>> with the blood-lust crowd.
>>
>>
>> On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:
>>> Rachel
>>>
>>> After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be attending the 
>>> protest, bringing a neighbor as well.
>>> Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black men from Emmet Till, 
>>> Jimmie Lee Jackson, Robert Hall etc., etc. murdered because of their 
>>> race, with the perpetrators so obviously being acquitted by unjust 
>>> laws and or decisions.
>>>
>>> Karen Aram
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>
>>> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500
>>> To: sdas-current at googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:sdas-current at googlegroups.com>; sdas-list at googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:sdas-list at googlegroups.com>; occupyCU at lists.chambana.net 
>>> <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>; 
>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
>>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; peace at anti-war.net 
>>> <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>>>
>>> Hey folks---If anyone has heard of another demo being planned, I'm 
>>> happy to send notices out, cancel this one, and redirect people 
>>> there. I've contacted a number of African-American led organizations 
>>> in town and can't seem to tell if something is already in the works. 
>>> Either way, I'm happy to help try and get the word out and then 
>>> redirect if need be.
>>>
>>> Okay, here's what I got to start. 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>>
>>> Please forward widely.
>>>
>>> *No Justice, No Peace x Protest the Verdict
>>> *
>>> *Sunday, July 14th, 2013 | 6pm-8pm*
>>> *Douglass Park | 512 E. Grove St. Champaign*
>>> "George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot 
>>> Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, igniting a national 
>>> debate on racial profiling and civil rights, was found not guilty 
>>> late Saturday night of second-degree murder." We will stand together 
>>> in Champaign-Urbana to demand accountability, to stand against 
>>> racial injustice, and to protest the verdict that proved the 
>>> injustice of the system. We stand with Trayvon's family and we know 
>>> that we are called to act---to fight for civil rights and for the 
>>> removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not 
>>> rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed.Today we 
>>> mourn, but tomorrow we organize. #blacklivesmatter
>>>
>>> Bring your friends, your family, your children, your neighbors. We 
>>> stand together as a community--all of us. Art, protest signs, 
>>> candles, and messages of outrage/hope/love/solidarity are encouraged.
>>> *Share on Facebook: 
>>> *https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I think we need an emergency demonstration tomorrow in response
>>>     to the Zimmerman verdict to show that Urbana community
>>>     members/activists/folks in solidarity do not stand for this
>>>     outrageous demonstration of injustice.
>>>
>>>     Can we plan to meet somewhere very public tomorrow (Sunday) at
>>>     6pm-ish?
>>>
>>>     WHERE?
>>>
>>>     Rachel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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