[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Mon Jul 15 00:50:51 UTC 2013
Absolutely Zimmerman was functioning as a sort of vigilante
doing a community watch. I would agree that this sort of
community patrolling by civilian is a variety of vigilante-ism
and is bound to lead ultimately to conflict between the watcher
and those watched. The community watcher has all of the
responsibility of a cop but not the authority of one.
Vigilantes like Zimmerman are not subject to the rules that
may sometimes restrain the police. I would not count on those rules
in Florida. One of my friends a white guy got the literal piss beat out
of him by a Florida cop. He was profiled by his out-of-state
license plate. The only thing for him to do was to get his ass
the hell out of Florida and tend his bruises.
Profiling is applied epidemiology, a narrowing of the use of resources.
Similar knowledge about rats stopped the black plague.
(Now, that IS an unfortunate analogy!)
Does this sort of talk stress you out?
Go to the root cause.
Profiling is an inevitable part of surveillance.
Who among us likes surveillance?
Where there is a perceived threat there is bound
to be surveillance. In applied epidemiology it is
sometimes called HACCP (hazard analysis/critical control point).
Since the George Zimmermen and the Deputy Dawgs of
the world do not stop and cavity search every person,
there is profiling to establish probable cause.
Zimmerman made a Terry Stop. Do we like Terry Stops?
Look at her. She's groovy. Yeah. Check out that
spade. He's groovy. Yeah all spades are groovy.
Look at that. She's not groovy. Uh huh.
Check out her body paint.
An oldie. Faded San Franscisco art nouveau.
Check out her stash. Aspirin.
Send her in.
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From my perspective, y'all are pursuing George because he
is one of many white carpenters in an perceived army of Zimmerpersons.
Easy pickin's. Low hanging fruit for social reformers.
From my perspective, Martin and Zimmerman (good Mennonite names, eh?) are
both part of the 99%. Zimmerman is part of the 99%. What social good is
there if Occupy! pursues the 99%? Zimmerman sure 'nuf ain't part of the
1%, now is he?
Go ahead and lynch Zimmerman. He's one of y'all.
Not because he is white or black or a rat or a flea or
Yersinia pestis.
The challenge for OCCUPY! (as I see it) is to see the man
behind the curtain and go after him.
Some of y'all seem intent on joining the media circus.
Enjoy your bread (or is it 'crackers'?)
they supply you, but surely there
has got to be something better and more useful.
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You say vigilante as if it is a bad thing.
OCCUPY! is a vigilante organization if it is anything at all.
What?
On 07/15/13 6:56, Niloofar Shambayati wrote:
> Zimmerman is a vigilante and nothing else. His suspicion was based on
> making assumptions based on a bigoted racial profiling that puts NYPD
> to shame, which in turn easily led to murdering Trayvon. Negative
> profiling directly leads to either dehumanizing the other or taking
> their individuality away from them. In either case, you see one mass
> of the same thing, the way Nazis portrayed the Jews, the way most
> Israeli Jews view the Palestinians, and the way our troops commit
> horrible acts of violence against Afghans and Iraqis. Thus for
> a hateful Zimmerman, Trayvon was just a profile, a microscopic part of
> the mass of "good-for--nothing, dangerous young black men." The
> vegetarian, animal-rights woman, who I am, uses the same logic, when
> encountering a fly or a mosquito that bothers me and justifies its
> killing.
>
> The people who profile Trayvon's parents as "blood-thirsty/greedy"
> black people, are no better than Zimmerman
>
> Niloofar
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
> <ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>> wrote:
>
> The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the
> Champaign Police shootings of young black men.
>
> Zimmerman may be an asshole or not. I am not sure.
> Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are
> indeed quasi-assholes. Not all.
>
> But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that basis he
> has been set free, because of the self-defense argument.
> The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman
> becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.
>
> It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and
> Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing a hoodie.
> The law permits people to have encounters and disagreement.
> When it erupts into physical violence particularly life-threatening
> violence, then a line is crossed. The situation was
> examined very clearly.
>
> Justice my ass.
> It's not justice that they are crying for.
> It's blood.
> They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
> They want blood for bloodshed.
>
> Well, actually what they want is Money.
>
> But since there isn't any money available,
> they'll settle for a few pints of blood,
> and several ounces of testicular flesh if that
> becomes available.
>
> It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble movement
> like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties
> with the blood-lust crowd.
>
>
> On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:
>> Rachel
>>
>> After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be attending the
>> protest, bringing a neighbor as well.
>> Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black men from Emmet
>> Till, Jimmie Lee Jackson, Robert Hall etc., etc. murdered because
>> of their race, with the perpetrators so obviously being acquitted
>> by unjust laws and or decisions.
>>
>> Karen Aram
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500
>> To: sdas-current at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:sdas-current at googlegroups.com>;
>> sdas-list at googlegroups.com <mailto:sdas-list at googlegroups.com>;
>> occupyCU at lists.chambana.net <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>;
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; peace at anti-war.net
>> <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>>
>> Hey folks---If anyone has heard of another demo being planned,
>> I'm happy to send notices out, cancel this one, and redirect
>> people there. I've contacted a number of African-American led
>> organizations in town and can't seem to tell if something is
>> already in the works. Either way, I'm happy to help try and get
>> the word out and then redirect if need be.
>>
>> Okay, here's what I got to start.
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>
>> Please forward widely.
>>
>> *No Justice, No Peace x Protest the Verdict
>> *
>> *Sunday, July 14th, 2013 | 6pm-8pm*
>> *Douglass Park | 512 E. Grove St. Champaign*
>> "George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally
>> shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, igniting a
>> national debate on racial profiling and civil rights, was found
>> not guilty late Saturday night of second-degree murder." We will
>> stand together in Champaign-Urbana to demand accountability, to
>> stand against racial injustice, and to protest the verdict that
>> proved the injustice of the system. We stand with Trayvon’s
>> family and we know that we are called to act---to fight for civil
>> rights and for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws in every
>> state, and we will not rest until racial profiling in all its
>> forms is outlawed. Today we mourn, but tomorrow we organize.
>> #blacklivesmatter
>>
>> Bring your friends, your family, your children, your neighbors.
>> We stand together as a community--all of us. Art, protest signs,
>> candles, and messages of outrage/hope/love/solidarity are
>> encouraged.
>> *Share on Facebook:
>> *https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel Storm
>> <rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think we need an emergency demonstration tomorrow in
>> response to the Zimmerman verdict to show that Urbana
>> community members/activists/folks in solidarity do not stand
>> for this outrageous demonstration of injustice.
>>
>> Can we plan to meet somewhere very public tomorrow (Sunday)
>> at 6pm-ish?
>>
>> WHERE?
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>>
>>
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