[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!

Mon Jul 15 01:29:31 UTC 2013

Nilofar, I second that, well said. What so many are thinking.

I just came from the "protest/gathering in Champaign", it was a discussion with impressive speakers. The leaders know exactly what to do to prevent the senseless killings in the future, They are impressive folks. They advised us to "get involved with the community, get on one of the many Boards or Councils, and become politically active." That is the only way to counteract the power of ALEC and the NRA.  In the meantime they will warn their children how to keep a low profile so as not to be targeted if such a thing is possible, how sad, so much for childhood. 

Wayne you are in Dalian? Even in Shanghai one has limited access to information and facts of such happenings in the US. Your attempt to irritate/piss people off is effective. Your attempts to prevent them from proceeding in their goals to achieve progress are not.

Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:50:51 +0800
From: ewj at pigsqq.org
To: niloofar.peace at gmail.com
CC: karenaram at hotmail.com; rachelstrm at gmail.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace at anti-war.net
Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Organize!

Absolutely Zimmerman was functioning as a sort of vigilante

doing a community watch.  I would agree that this sort of 

community patrolling by civilian is a variety of vigilante-ism

and is bound to lead ultimately to conflict between the watcher

and those watched.  The community watcher has all of the 

responsibility of a cop but not the authority of one.

Vigilantes like Zimmerman are not subject to the rules that 

may sometimes restrain the police.  I would not count on those rules

in Florida.  One of my friends a white guy got the literal piss beat out

of him by a Florida cop.  He was profiled by his out-of-state

license plate.  The only thing for him to do was to get his ass

the hell out of Florida and tend his bruises.

Profiling is applied epidemiology, a narrowing of the use of resources.

Similar knowledge about rats stopped the black plague.

(Now, that IS an unfortunate analogy!)

Does this sort of talk stress you out?

Go to the root cause.  

Profiling is an inevitable part of surveillance.

Who among us likes surveillance?

Where there is a perceived threat there is bound 

to be surveillance.  In applied epidemiology it is

sometimes called HACCP (hazard analysis/critical control point).

Since the George Zimmermen and the Deputy Dawgs of

the world do not stop and cavity search every person,

there is profiling to establish probable cause.  

Zimmerman made a Terry Stop.  Do we like Terry Stops?

Look at her.  She's groovy.  Yeah.  Check out that

spade.  He's groovy.  Yeah all spades are groovy.

Look at that.  She's not groovy.  Uh huh.

Check out her body paint. 

An oldie.  Faded San Franscisco art nouveau.

Check out her stash.  Aspirin.

Send her in.

*

From my perspective, y'all are pursuing George because he

is one of many white carpenters in an perceived army of Zimmerpersons.

Easy pickin's.  Low hanging fruit for social reformers.

From my perspective, Martin and Zimmerman (good Mennonite names, eh?)
are

both part of the 99%.  Zimmerman is part of the 99%.  What social good
is

there if Occupy! pursues the 99%?  Zimmerman sure 'nuf ain't part of
the 

1%, now is he?

Go ahead and lynch Zimmerman.  He's one of y'all.

Not because he is white or black or a rat or a flea or 

Yersinia pestis.

The challenge for OCCUPY! (as I see it) is to see the man

behind the curtain and go after him.

Some of y'all seem intent on joining the media circus.  

Enjoy your bread (or is it 'crackers'?) 

they supply you, but surely there

has got to be something better and more useful.

*

You say vigilante as if it is a bad thing.  

OCCUPY! is a vigilante organization if it is anything at all.

What?  

On 07/15/13 6:56, Niloofar Shambayati wrote:

  Zimmerman is a vigilante and nothing else.  His
suspicion was based on making assumptions based on a bigoted racial
profiling that puts NYPD to shame, which in turn easily led to
murdering Trayvon. Negative profiling directly leads to either
dehumanizing the other or taking their individuality away from them. In
either case, you see one mass of the same thing, the way Nazis
portrayed the Jews, the way most Israeli Jews view the Palestinians,
and the way our troops commit horrible acts of violence against Afghans
and Iraqis. Thus for a hateful Zimmerman, Trayvon was just a profile, a
microscopic part of the mass of "good-for--nothing, dangerous young
black men."  The vegetarian, animal-rights woman, who I am, uses the
same logic, when encountering a fly or a mosquito that bothers me and
justifies its killing.

  The people who profile Trayvon's parents as
"blood-thirsty/greedy" black people, are no better than Zimmerman 

  Niloofar

  On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, "E. Wayne
Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
wrote:

The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the 

Champaign Police shootings of young black men.

Zimmerman may be an asshole or not.  I am not sure.

Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are 

indeed quasi-assholes.  Not all.

But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that basis he 

has been set free, because of the self-defense argument.

The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman

becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.

It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and 

Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing a hoodie.

The law permits people to have encounters and disagreement.

When it erupts into physical violence particularly life-threatening

violence, then a line is crossed.  The situation was

examined very clearly.

Justice my ass.

It's not justice that they are crying for.  

It's blood.

They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth

They want blood for bloodshed.

Well, actually what they want is Money.

But since there isn't any money available,

they'll settle for a few pints of blood,

and several ounces of testicular flesh if that

becomes available.

It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble movement

like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties

with the blood-lust crowd.

On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:

      Rachel

After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be attending the protest,
bringing a neighbor as well. 

Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black men from Emmet Till,
Jimmie Lee Jackson, Robert Hall etc., etc. murdered because of their
race, with the perpetrators so obviously being acquitted by unjust laws
and or decisions.  

Karen Aram

      From: rachelstrm at gmail.com

Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500

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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!

      Hey
folks---If anyone has heard of another demo being planned, I'm happy to
send notices out, cancel this one, and redirect people there. I've
contacted a number of African-American led organizations in town and
can't seem to tell if something is already in the works. Either way,
I'm happy to help try and get the word out and then redirect if need be.

      Okay,
here's
what I got to start. https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create

      Please
forward
widely. 

      No
Justice, No Peace x Protest the
Verdict

      Sunday,
July 14th, 2013 |
6pm-8pm
      Douglass
Park | 512 E. Grove
St. Champaign
      "George
Zimmerman,
the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon
Martin, an unarmed black teenager, igniting a national debate on racial
profiling and civil rights, was found not guilty late Saturday night of
second-degree murder." We
will
stand together in Champaign-Urbana to demand accountability, to
stand against racial injustice, and to protest the verdict that proved the
injustice
of the system. We
stand
with Trayvon’s family and we know that we are called to act---to
fight for civil rights and for the removal of Stand
Your
Ground laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial
profiling in all its forms is outlawed. Today
we
mourn, but tomorrow we organize. #blacklivesmatter

Bring your friends, your family, your children, your neighbors. We
stand together as a community--all of us. Art, protest signs, candles,
and messages of outrage/hope/love/solidarity
are
encouraged. 
      Share on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create

      On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel
Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com>
wrote:

        I
think we need an emergency demonstration tomorrow in response to the
Zimmerman verdict to show that Urbana community members/activists/folks
in solidarity do not stand for this outrageous demonstration of
injustice.

        Can
we plan to meet somewhere very public tomorrow (Sunday) at 6pm-ish?

        WHERE?

        Rachel

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