[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Mon Jul 15 02:19:58 UTC 2013
I reside in Beijing presently.
I pretty much have the same access to info that you have but the
opinion shaping is not force fed to me as it would be if I
were in the USA.
I don't watch TV much. I got out of the TV habit some 40 years ago
but I am aware that there are people who do watch TV and have I dabbled
with it.
I have followed the incidents with Assange, Snowden, Manning, that guy they
blew up his car in California cant think of his name right now and too
lazy to
look in up, the Tsarnev bros, etc., Zimmerman, etc.
The call goes out both far and near for - - -.
I think it is reprehensible that the USA has more people in jail than
any other
country in the world by any statistical measure.
Those of you who want "justice"
for Martin seem to love Big Sibling more than B.S. loves itself.
Jailing another person by the Over-dogs is Justice?
Justice?
Nay, Revenge.
A scapegoat to atone for your sorry and pathetic existences
and carry them off into the dessert. Cheesecake, please.
A capacitor to suck off the back EMF harmlessly to ground.
Kicking dogs is out-of-vogue. Hammer time for the carpenters.
I just tell it as I see it. Why should that piss you off?
Do you want to switch sides in this debate and see if I still piss you off?
Is it me that pisses you or is it what I am saying? Or the way I say it?
Which senseless killing is that your fearless leaders are going to stop?
The killing of babies by the frenetic Lady Macbeth harpies of abortion?
Hey, Pilate. Throw 'em yer towel.
The mass murders at the hand of the American Empire?
Those minorities shooting each other in Chicago?
How?
By disarming the people and leaving them completely
helpless against those who make merchandise of them day and night?
Is Occupy! working for the 1%?
Seriously...
Is it?
On 07/15/13 9:29, Karen Aram wrote:
> Nilofar, I second that, well said. What so many are thinking.
>
> I just came from the "protest/gathering in Champaign", it was a
> discussion with impressive speakers. The leaders know exactly what to
> do to prevent the senseless killings in the future, They are
> impressive folks. They advised us to "get involved with the community,
> get on one of the many Boards or Councils, and become politically
> active." That is the only way to counteract the power of ALEC and the
> NRA. In the meantime they will warn their children how to keep a low
> profile so as not to be targeted if such a thing is possible, how sad,
> so much for childhood.
>
> Wayne you are in Dalian? Even in Shanghai one has limited access to
> information and facts of such happenings in the US. Your attempt to
> irritate/piss people off is effective. Your attempts to prevent them
> from proceeding in their goals to achieve progress are not.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:50:51 +0800
> From: ewj at pigsqq.org
> To: niloofar.peace at gmail.com
> CC: karenaram at hotmail.com; rachelstrm at gmail.com;
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace at anti-war.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>
> Absolutely Zimmerman was functioning as a sort of vigilante
> doing a community watch. I would agree that this sort of
> community patrolling by civilian is a variety of vigilante-ism
> and is bound to lead ultimately to conflict between the watcher
> and those watched. The community watcher has all of the
> responsibility of a cop but not the authority of one.
>
> Vigilantes like Zimmerman are not subject to the rules that
> may sometimes restrain the police. I would not count on those rules
> in Florida. One of my friends a white guy got the literal piss beat out
> of him by a Florida cop. He was profiled by his out-of-state
> license plate. The only thing for him to do was to get his ass
> the hell out of Florida and tend his bruises.
>
> Profiling is applied epidemiology, a narrowing of the use of resources.
> Similar knowledge about rats stopped the black plague.
> (Now, that IS an unfortunate analogy!)
>
> Does this sort of talk stress you out?
> Go to the root cause.
>
> Profiling is an inevitable part of surveillance.
> Who among us likes surveillance?
> Where there is a perceived threat there is bound
> to be surveillance. In applied epidemiology it is
> sometimes called HACCP (hazard analysis/critical control point).
>
> Since the George Zimmermen and the Deputy Dawgs of
> the world do not stop and cavity search every person,
> there is profiling to establish probable cause.
> Zimmerman made a Terry Stop. Do we like Terry Stops?
>
> Look at her. She's groovy. Yeah. Check out that
> spade. He's groovy. Yeah all spades are groovy.
> Look at that. She's not groovy. Uh huh.
> Check out her body paint.
> An oldie. Faded San Franscisco art nouveau.
> Check out her stash. Aspirin.
> Send her in.
>
> *
>
> From my perspective, y'all are pursuing George because he
> is one of many white carpenters in an perceived army of Zimmerpersons.
> Easy pickin's. Low hanging fruit for social reformers.
>
> From my perspective, Martin and Zimmerman (good Mennonite names, eh?) are
> both part of the 99%. Zimmerman is part of the 99%. What social good is
> there if Occupy! pursues the 99%? Zimmerman sure 'nuf ain't part of the
> 1%, now is he?
>
> Go ahead and lynch Zimmerman. He's one of y'all.
> Not because he is white or black or a rat or a flea or
> Yersinia pestis.
>
> The challenge for OCCUPY! (as I see it) is to see the man
> behind the curtain and go after him.
>
> Some of y'all seem intent on joining the media circus.
> Enjoy your bread (or is it 'crackers'?)
> they supply you, but surely there
> has got to be something better and more useful.
>
> *
> You say vigilante as if it is a bad thing.
> OCCUPY! is a vigilante organization if it is anything at all.
>
> What?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/15/13 6:56, Niloofar Shambayati wrote:
>
> Zimmerman is a vigilante and nothing else. His suspicion was based
> on making assumptions based on a bigoted racial profiling that
> puts NYPD to shame, which in turn easily led to murdering Trayvon.
> Negative profiling directly leads to either dehumanizing the other
> or taking their individuality away from them. In either case, you
> see one mass of the same thing, the way Nazis portrayed the Jews,
> the way most Israeli Jews view the Palestinians, and the way our
> troops commit horrible acts of violence against Afghans and
> Iraqis. Thus for a hateful Zimmerman, Trayvon was just a profile,
> a microscopic part of the mass of "good-for--nothing, dangerous
> young black men." The vegetarian, animal-rights woman, who I am,
> uses the same logic, when encountering a fly or a mosquito that
> bothers me and justifies its killing.
>
> The people who profile Trayvon's parents as "blood-thirsty/greedy"
> black people, are no better than Zimmerman
>
> Niloofar
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
> <ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>> wrote:
>
> The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the
> Champaign Police shootings of young black men.
>
> Zimmerman may be an asshole or not. I am not sure.
> Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are
> indeed quasi-assholes. Not all.
>
> But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that basis he
> has been set free, because of the self-defense argument.
> The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman
> becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.
>
> It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and
> Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing a hoodie.
> The law permits people to have encounters and disagreement.
> When it erupts into physical violence particularly
> life-threatening
> violence, then a line is crossed. The situation was
> examined very clearly.
>
> Justice my ass.
> It's not justice that they are crying for.
> It's blood.
> They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
> They want blood for bloodshed.
>
> Well, actually what they want is Money.
>
> But since there isn't any money available,
> they'll settle for a few pints of blood,
> and several ounces of testicular flesh if that
> becomes available.
>
> It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble movement
> like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties
> with the blood-lust crowd.
>
>
> On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:
>
> Rachel
>
> After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be attending
> the protest, bringing a neighbor as well.
> Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black men from
> Emmet Till, Jimmie Lee Jackson, Robert Hall etc., etc.
> murdered because of their race, with the perpetrators so
> obviously being acquitted by unjust laws and or decisions.
>
> Karen Aram
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500
> To: sdas-current at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:sdas-current at googlegroups.com>;
> sdas-list at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:sdas-list at googlegroups.com>;
> occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>;
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
> peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>
> Hey folks---If anyone has heard of another demo being
> planned, I'm happy to send notices out, cancel this one,
> and redirect people there. I've contacted a number of
> African-American led organizations in town and can't seem
> to tell if something is already in the works. Either way,
> I'm happy to help try and get the word out and then
> redirect if need be.
>
> Okay, here's what I got to start.
> https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>
> Please forward widely.
>
> *No Justice, No Peace x Protest the Verdict
> *
> *Sunday, July 14th, 2013 | 6pm-8pm*
> *Douglass Park | 512 E. Grove St. Champaign*
> "George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who
> fatally shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager,
> igniting a national debate on racial profiling and civil
> rights, was found not guilty late Saturday night of
> second-degree murder." We will stand together in
> Champaign-Urbana to demand accountability, to stand
> against racial injustice, and to protest the verdict that
> proved the injustice of the system. We stand with
> Trayvon’s family and we know that we are called to
> act---to fight for civil rights and for the removal of
> Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we will not
> rest until racial profiling in all its forms is outlawed.
> Today we mourn, but tomorrow we organize. #blacklivesmatter
>
> Bring your friends, your family, your children, your
> neighbors. We stand together as a community--all of us.
> Art, protest signs, candles, and messages of
> outrage/hope/love/solidarity are encouraged.
> *Share on Facebook:
> *https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel Storm
> <rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think we need an emergency demonstration tomorrow in
> response to the Zimmerman verdict to show that Urbana
> community members/activists/folks in solidarity do not
> stand for this outrageous demonstration of injustice.
>
> Can we plan to meet somewhere very public tomorrow
> (Sunday) at 6pm-ish?
>
> WHERE?
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Peace mailing list
> Peace at lists.chambana.net <mailto:Peace at lists.chambana.net>
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace
>
>
>
>
> --
> Niloofar
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20130715/7abf5133/attachment-0001.html>
More information about the Peace-discuss
mailing list