[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!

"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" ewj at pigsqq.org
Mon Jul 15 02:40:34 UTC 2013


Actually I was thinking about getting a Guitar.

On 07/15/13 10:31, Rachel Storm wrote:
>
> Get a blog.
>
> On Jul 14, 2013 9:20 PM, E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森 <ewj at pigsqq.org
> <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>> wrote:
>
>     I reside in Beijing presently.
>
>     I pretty much have the same access to info that you have but the
>     opinion shaping is not force fed to me as it would be if I
>     were in the USA.
>
>     I don't watch TV much. I got out of the TV habit some 40 years ago
>     but I am aware that there are people who do watch TV and have I
>     dabbled
>     with it.
>
>     I have followed the incidents with Assange, Snowden, Manning, that
>     guy they
>     blew up his car in California cant think of his name right now and
>     too lazy to
>     look in up, the Tsarnev bros, etc., Zimmerman, etc.
>
>     The call goes out both far and near for - - -.
>
>     I think it is reprehensible that the USA has more people in jail
>     than any other
>     country in the world by any statistical measure.
>
>     Those of you who want "justice"
>     for Martin seem to love Big Sibling more than B.S. loves itself.
>
>     Jailing another person by the Over-dogs is Justice?
>
>     Justice?
>
>     Nay, Revenge.
>
>     A scapegoat to atone for your sorry and pathetic existences
>     and carry them off into the dessert. Cheesecake, please.
>
>     A capacitor to suck off the back EMF harmlessly to ground.
>
>     Kicking dogs is out-of-vogue. Hammer time for the carpenters.
>
>     I just tell it as I see it. Why should that piss you off?
>
>     Do you want to switch sides in this debate and see if I still piss
>     you off?
>     Is it me that pisses you or is it what I am saying? Or the way I
>     say it?
>
>     Which senseless killing is that your fearless leaders are going to
>     stop?
>
>     The killing of babies by the frenetic Lady Macbeth harpies of
>     abortion?
>     Hey, Pilate. Throw 'em yer towel.
>
>     The mass murders at the hand of the American Empire?
>
>     Those minorities shooting each other in Chicago?
>
>     How?
>
>     By disarming the people and leaving them completely
>     helpless against those who make merchandise of them day and night?
>
>     Is Occupy! working for the 1%?
>
>     Seriously...
>
>     Is it?
>
>
>
>
>     On 07/15/13 9:29, Karen Aram wrote:
>>     Nilofar, I second that, well said. What so many are thinking.
>>
>>     I just came from the "protest/gathering in Champaign", it was a
>>     discussion with impressive speakers. The leaders know exactly
>>     what to do to prevent the senseless killings in the future, They
>>     are impressive folks. They advised us to "get involved with the
>>     community, get on one of the many Boards or Councils, and become
>>     politically active." That is the only way to counteract the power
>>     of ALEC and the NRA. In the meantime they will warn their
>>     children how to keep a low profile so as not to be targeted if
>>     such a thing is possible, how sad, so much for childhood.
>>
>>     Wayne you are in Dalian? Even in Shanghai one has limited access
>>     to information and facts of such happenings in the US. Your
>>     attempt to irritate/piss people off is effective. Your attempts
>>     to prevent them from proceeding in their goals to achieve
>>     progress are not.
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>     Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:50:51 +0800
>>     From: ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>
>>     To: niloofar.peace at gmail.com <mailto:niloofar.peace at gmail.com>
>>     CC: karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>;
>>     rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>;
>>     peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>     <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; peace at anti-war.net
>>     <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>>     Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>>
>>     Absolutely Zimmerman was functioning as a sort of vigilante
>>     doing a community watch. I would agree that this sort of
>>     community patrolling by civilian is a variety of vigilante-ism
>>     and is bound to lead ultimately to conflict between the watcher
>>     and those watched. The community watcher has all of the
>>     responsibility of a cop but not the authority of one.
>>
>>     Vigilantes like Zimmerman are not subject to the rules that
>>     may sometimes restrain the police. I would not count on those rules
>>     in Florida. One of my friends a white guy got the literal piss
>>     beat out
>>     of him by a Florida cop. He was profiled by his out-of-state
>>     license plate. The only thing for him to do was to get his ass
>>     the hell out of Florida and tend his bruises.
>>
>>     Profiling is applied epidemiology, a narrowing of the use of
>>     resources.
>>     Similar knowledge about rats stopped the black plague.
>>     (Now, that IS an unfortunate analogy!)
>>
>>     Does this sort of talk stress you out?
>>     Go to the root cause.
>>
>>     Profiling is an inevitable part of surveillance.
>>     Who among us likes surveillance?
>>     Where there is a perceived threat there is bound
>>     to be surveillance. In applied epidemiology it is
>>     sometimes called HACCP (hazard analysis/critical control point).
>>
>>     Since the George Zimmermen and the Deputy Dawgs of
>>     the world do not stop and cavity search every person,
>>     there is profiling to establish probable cause.
>>     Zimmerman made a Terry Stop. Do we like Terry Stops?
>>
>>     Look at her. She's groovy. Yeah. Check out that
>>     spade. He's groovy. Yeah all spades are groovy.
>>     Look at that. She's not groovy. Uh huh.
>>     Check out her body paint.
>>     An oldie. Faded San Franscisco art nouveau.
>>     Check out her stash. Aspirin.
>>     Send her in.
>>
>>     *
>>
>>     >From my perspective, y'all are pursuing George because he
>>     is one of many white carpenters in an perceived army of
>>     Zimmerpersons.
>>     Easy pickin's. Low hanging fruit for social reformers.
>>
>>     >From my perspective, Martin and Zimmerman (good Mennonite names,
>>     eh?) are
>>     both part of the 99%. Zimmerman is part of the 99%. What social
>>     good is
>>     there if Occupy! pursues the 99%? Zimmerman sure 'nuf ain't part
>>     of the
>>     1%, now is he?
>>
>>     Go ahead and lynch Zimmerman. He's one of y'all.
>>     Not because he is white or black or a rat or a flea or
>>     Yersinia pestis.
>>
>>     The challenge for OCCUPY! (as I see it) is to see the man
>>     behind the curtain and go after him.
>>
>>     Some of y'all seem intent on joining the media circus.
>>     Enjoy your bread (or is it 'crackers'?)
>>     they supply you, but surely there
>>     has got to be something better and more useful.
>>
>>     *
>>     You say vigilante as if it is a bad thing.
>>     OCCUPY! is a vigilante organization if it is anything at all.
>>
>>     What?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 07/15/13 6:56, Niloofar Shambayati wrote:
>>
>>         Zimmerman is a vigilante and nothing else. His suspicion was
>>         based on making assumptions based on a bigoted racial
>>         profiling that puts NYPD to shame, which in turn easily led
>>         to murdering Trayvon. Negative profiling directly leads to
>>         either dehumanizing the other or taking their individuality
>>         away from them. In either case, you see one mass of the same
>>         thing, the way Nazis portrayed the Jews, the way most Israeli
>>         Jews view the Palestinians, and the way our troops commit
>>         horrible acts of violence against Afghans and Iraqis. Thus
>>         for a hateful Zimmerman, Trayvon was just a profile, a
>>         microscopic part of the mass of "good-for--nothing, dangerous
>>         young black men." The vegetarian, animal-rights woman, who I
>>         am, uses the same logic, when encountering a fly or a
>>         mosquito that bothers me and justifies its killing.
>>
>>         The people who profile Trayvon's parents as
>>         "blood-thirsty/greedy" black people, are no better than
>>         Zimmerman
>>
>>         Niloofar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
>>         <ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>> wrote:
>>
>>             The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the
>>             Champaign Police shootings of young black men.
>>
>>             Zimmerman may be an asshole or not. I am not sure.
>>             Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are
>>             indeed quasi-assholes. Not all.
>>
>>             But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that basis he
>>             has been set free, because of the self-defense argument.
>>             The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman
>>             becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.
>>
>>             It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and
>>             Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing a hoodie.
>>             The law permits people to have encounters and disagreement.
>>             When it erupts into physical violence particularly
>>             life-threatening
>>             violence, then a line is crossed. The situation was
>>             examined very clearly.
>>
>>             Justice my ass.
>>             It's not justice that they are crying for.
>>             It's blood.
>>             They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
>>             They want blood for bloodshed.
>>
>>             Well, actually what they want is Money.
>>
>>             But since there isn't any money available,
>>             they'll settle for a few pints of blood,
>>             and several ounces of testicular flesh if that
>>             becomes available.
>>
>>             It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble movement
>>             like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties
>>             with the blood-lust crowd.
>>
>>
>>             On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:
>>
>>                 Rachel
>>
>>                 After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be
>>                 attending the protest, bringing a neighbor as well.
>>                 Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black men
>>                 from Emmet Till, Jimmie Lee Jackson, Robert Hall
>>                 etc., etc. murdered because of their race, with the
>>                 perpetrators so obviously being acquitted by unjust
>>                 laws and or decisions.
>>
>>                 Karen Aram
>>
>>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>                 From: rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>
>>                 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500
>>                 To: sdas-current at googlegroups.com
>>                 <mailto:sdas-current at googlegroups.com>;
>>                 sdas-list at googlegroups.com
>>                 <mailto:sdas-list at googlegroups.com>;
>>                 occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
>>                 <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>;
>>                 peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>                 <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
>>                 peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>>                 Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>>
>>                 Hey folks---If anyone has heard of another demo being
>>                 planned, I'm happy to send notices out, cancel this
>>                 one, and redirect people there. I've contacted a
>>                 number of African-American led organizations in town
>>                 and can't seem to tell if something is already in the
>>                 works. Either way, I'm happy to help try and get the
>>                 word out and then redirect if need be.
>>
>>                 Okay, here's what I got to start.
>>                 https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>
>>                 Please forward widely.
>>
>>                 *No Justice, No Peace x Protest the Verdict
>>                 *
>>                 *Sunday, July 14th, 2013 | 6pm-8pm*
>>                 *Douglass Park | 512 E. Grove St. Champaign*
>>                 "George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer
>>                 who fatally shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black
>>                 teenager, igniting a national debate on racial
>>                 profiling and civil rights, was found not guilty late
>>                 Saturday night of second-degree murder." We will
>>                 stand together in Champaign-Urbana to demand
>>                 accountability, to stand against racial injustice,
>>                 and to protest the verdict that proved the injustice
>>                 of the system. We stand with Trayvon’s family and we
>>                 know that we are called to act---to fight for civil
>>                 rights and for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws
>>                 in every state, and we will not rest until racial
>>                 profiling in all its forms is outlawed. Today we
>>                 mourn, but tomorrow we organize. #blacklivesmatter
>>
>>                 Bring your friends, your family, your children, your
>>                 neighbors. We stand together as a community--all of
>>                 us. Art, protest signs, candles, and messages of
>>                 outrage/hope/love/solidarity are encouraged.
>>                 *Share on Facebook:
>>                 *https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>                 On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel Storm
>>                 <rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>>
>>                 wrote:
>>
>>                     I think we need an emergency demonstration
>>                     tomorrow in response to the Zimmerman verdict to
>>                     show that Urbana community
>>                     members/activists/folks in solidarity do not
>>                     stand for this outrageous demonstration of injustice.
>>
>>                     Can we plan to meet somewhere very public
>>                     tomorrow (Sunday) at 6pm-ish?
>>
>>                     WHERE?
>>
>>                     Rachel
>>
>>
>>
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>>         -- 
>>         Niloofar
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