[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Mon Jul 15 02:40:34 UTC 2013
Actually I was thinking about getting a Guitar.
On 07/15/13 10:31, Rachel Storm wrote:
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> Get a blog.
>
> On Jul 14, 2013 9:20 PM, E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森 <ewj at pigsqq.org
> <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>> wrote:
>
> I reside in Beijing presently.
>
> I pretty much have the same access to info that you have but the
> opinion shaping is not force fed to me as it would be if I
> were in the USA.
>
> I don't watch TV much. I got out of the TV habit some 40 years ago
> but I am aware that there are people who do watch TV and have I
> dabbled
> with it.
>
> I have followed the incidents with Assange, Snowden, Manning, that
> guy they
> blew up his car in California cant think of his name right now and
> too lazy to
> look in up, the Tsarnev bros, etc., Zimmerman, etc.
>
> The call goes out both far and near for - - -.
>
> I think it is reprehensible that the USA has more people in jail
> than any other
> country in the world by any statistical measure.
>
> Those of you who want "justice"
> for Martin seem to love Big Sibling more than B.S. loves itself.
>
> Jailing another person by the Over-dogs is Justice?
>
> Justice?
>
> Nay, Revenge.
>
> A scapegoat to atone for your sorry and pathetic existences
> and carry them off into the dessert. Cheesecake, please.
>
> A capacitor to suck off the back EMF harmlessly to ground.
>
> Kicking dogs is out-of-vogue. Hammer time for the carpenters.
>
> I just tell it as I see it. Why should that piss you off?
>
> Do you want to switch sides in this debate and see if I still piss
> you off?
> Is it me that pisses you or is it what I am saying? Or the way I
> say it?
>
> Which senseless killing is that your fearless leaders are going to
> stop?
>
> The killing of babies by the frenetic Lady Macbeth harpies of
> abortion?
> Hey, Pilate. Throw 'em yer towel.
>
> The mass murders at the hand of the American Empire?
>
> Those minorities shooting each other in Chicago?
>
> How?
>
> By disarming the people and leaving them completely
> helpless against those who make merchandise of them day and night?
>
> Is Occupy! working for the 1%?
>
> Seriously...
>
> Is it?
>
>
>
>
> On 07/15/13 9:29, Karen Aram wrote:
>> Nilofar, I second that, well said. What so many are thinking.
>>
>> I just came from the "protest/gathering in Champaign", it was a
>> discussion with impressive speakers. The leaders know exactly
>> what to do to prevent the senseless killings in the future, They
>> are impressive folks. They advised us to "get involved with the
>> community, get on one of the many Boards or Councils, and become
>> politically active." That is the only way to counteract the power
>> of ALEC and the NRA. In the meantime they will warn their
>> children how to keep a low profile so as not to be targeted if
>> such a thing is possible, how sad, so much for childhood.
>>
>> Wayne you are in Dalian? Even in Shanghai one has limited access
>> to information and facts of such happenings in the US. Your
>> attempt to irritate/piss people off is effective. Your attempts
>> to prevent them from proceeding in their goals to achieve
>> progress are not.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:50:51 +0800
>> From: ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>
>> To: niloofar.peace at gmail.com <mailto:niloofar.peace at gmail.com>
>> CC: karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>;
>> rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>;
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; peace at anti-war.net
>> <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>>
>> Absolutely Zimmerman was functioning as a sort of vigilante
>> doing a community watch. I would agree that this sort of
>> community patrolling by civilian is a variety of vigilante-ism
>> and is bound to lead ultimately to conflict between the watcher
>> and those watched. The community watcher has all of the
>> responsibility of a cop but not the authority of one.
>>
>> Vigilantes like Zimmerman are not subject to the rules that
>> may sometimes restrain the police. I would not count on those rules
>> in Florida. One of my friends a white guy got the literal piss
>> beat out
>> of him by a Florida cop. He was profiled by his out-of-state
>> license plate. The only thing for him to do was to get his ass
>> the hell out of Florida and tend his bruises.
>>
>> Profiling is applied epidemiology, a narrowing of the use of
>> resources.
>> Similar knowledge about rats stopped the black plague.
>> (Now, that IS an unfortunate analogy!)
>>
>> Does this sort of talk stress you out?
>> Go to the root cause.
>>
>> Profiling is an inevitable part of surveillance.
>> Who among us likes surveillance?
>> Where there is a perceived threat there is bound
>> to be surveillance. In applied epidemiology it is
>> sometimes called HACCP (hazard analysis/critical control point).
>>
>> Since the George Zimmermen and the Deputy Dawgs of
>> the world do not stop and cavity search every person,
>> there is profiling to establish probable cause.
>> Zimmerman made a Terry Stop. Do we like Terry Stops?
>>
>> Look at her. She's groovy. Yeah. Check out that
>> spade. He's groovy. Yeah all spades are groovy.
>> Look at that. She's not groovy. Uh huh.
>> Check out her body paint.
>> An oldie. Faded San Franscisco art nouveau.
>> Check out her stash. Aspirin.
>> Send her in.
>>
>> *
>>
>> >From my perspective, y'all are pursuing George because he
>> is one of many white carpenters in an perceived army of
>> Zimmerpersons.
>> Easy pickin's. Low hanging fruit for social reformers.
>>
>> >From my perspective, Martin and Zimmerman (good Mennonite names,
>> eh?) are
>> both part of the 99%. Zimmerman is part of the 99%. What social
>> good is
>> there if Occupy! pursues the 99%? Zimmerman sure 'nuf ain't part
>> of the
>> 1%, now is he?
>>
>> Go ahead and lynch Zimmerman. He's one of y'all.
>> Not because he is white or black or a rat or a flea or
>> Yersinia pestis.
>>
>> The challenge for OCCUPY! (as I see it) is to see the man
>> behind the curtain and go after him.
>>
>> Some of y'all seem intent on joining the media circus.
>> Enjoy your bread (or is it 'crackers'?)
>> they supply you, but surely there
>> has got to be something better and more useful.
>>
>> *
>> You say vigilante as if it is a bad thing.
>> OCCUPY! is a vigilante organization if it is anything at all.
>>
>> What?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/15/13 6:56, Niloofar Shambayati wrote:
>>
>> Zimmerman is a vigilante and nothing else. His suspicion was
>> based on making assumptions based on a bigoted racial
>> profiling that puts NYPD to shame, which in turn easily led
>> to murdering Trayvon. Negative profiling directly leads to
>> either dehumanizing the other or taking their individuality
>> away from them. In either case, you see one mass of the same
>> thing, the way Nazis portrayed the Jews, the way most Israeli
>> Jews view the Palestinians, and the way our troops commit
>> horrible acts of violence against Afghans and Iraqis. Thus
>> for a hateful Zimmerman, Trayvon was just a profile, a
>> microscopic part of the mass of "good-for--nothing, dangerous
>> young black men." The vegetarian, animal-rights woman, who I
>> am, uses the same logic, when encountering a fly or a
>> mosquito that bothers me and justifies its killing.
>>
>> The people who profile Trayvon's parents as
>> "blood-thirsty/greedy" black people, are no better than
>> Zimmerman
>>
>> Niloofar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
>> <ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>> wrote:
>>
>> The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the
>> Champaign Police shootings of young black men.
>>
>> Zimmerman may be an asshole or not. I am not sure.
>> Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are
>> indeed quasi-assholes. Not all.
>>
>> But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that basis he
>> has been set free, because of the self-defense argument.
>> The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman
>> becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.
>>
>> It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and
>> Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing a hoodie.
>> The law permits people to have encounters and disagreement.
>> When it erupts into physical violence particularly
>> life-threatening
>> violence, then a line is crossed. The situation was
>> examined very clearly.
>>
>> Justice my ass.
>> It's not justice that they are crying for.
>> It's blood.
>> They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
>> They want blood for bloodshed.
>>
>> Well, actually what they want is Money.
>>
>> But since there isn't any money available,
>> they'll settle for a few pints of blood,
>> and several ounces of testicular flesh if that
>> becomes available.
>>
>> It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble movement
>> like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties
>> with the blood-lust crowd.
>>
>>
>> On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>> After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be
>> attending the protest, bringing a neighbor as well.
>> Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black men
>> from Emmet Till, Jimmie Lee Jackson, Robert Hall
>> etc., etc. murdered because of their race, with the
>> perpetrators so obviously being acquitted by unjust
>> laws and or decisions.
>>
>> Karen Aram
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> From: rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500
>> To: sdas-current at googlegroups.com
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>> sdas-list at googlegroups.com
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>> occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:occupyCU at lists.chambana.net>;
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
>> peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>>
>> Hey folks---If anyone has heard of another demo being
>> planned, I'm happy to send notices out, cancel this
>> one, and redirect people there. I've contacted a
>> number of African-American led organizations in town
>> and can't seem to tell if something is already in the
>> works. Either way, I'm happy to help try and get the
>> word out and then redirect if need be.
>>
>> Okay, here's what I got to start.
>> https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>
>> Please forward widely.
>>
>> *No Justice, No Peace x Protest the Verdict
>> *
>> *Sunday, July 14th, 2013 | 6pm-8pm*
>> *Douglass Park | 512 E. Grove St. Champaign*
>> "George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer
>> who fatally shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black
>> teenager, igniting a national debate on racial
>> profiling and civil rights, was found not guilty late
>> Saturday night of second-degree murder." We will
>> stand together in Champaign-Urbana to demand
>> accountability, to stand against racial injustice,
>> and to protest the verdict that proved the injustice
>> of the system. We stand with Trayvon’s family and we
>> know that we are called to act---to fight for civil
>> rights and for the removal of Stand Your Ground laws
>> in every state, and we will not rest until racial
>> profiling in all its forms is outlawed. Today we
>> mourn, but tomorrow we organize. #blacklivesmatter
>>
>> Bring your friends, your family, your children, your
>> neighbors. We stand together as a community--all of
>> us. Art, protest signs, candles, and messages of
>> outrage/hope/love/solidarity are encouraged.
>> *Share on Facebook:
>> *https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel Storm
>> <rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I think we need an emergency demonstration
>> tomorrow in response to the Zimmerman verdict to
>> show that Urbana community
>> members/activists/folks in solidarity do not
>> stand for this outrageous demonstration of injustice.
>>
>> Can we plan to meet somewhere very public
>> tomorrow (Sunday) at 6pm-ish?
>>
>> WHERE?
>>
>> Rachel
>>
>>
>>
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