[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!

Mon Jul 15 03:52:03 UTC 2013

Wayne

Ok, you have the info, in Beijing, lucky you, out of the fray. 
People of substance rarely watch tv, certainly don't get their news from it.
You're acurate, when it comes to critique on most counts, not all, but you make assumptions about those who are attempting to change the system locally. 
Your delivery is rude, and insensitive to others. You enjoy that. 
It leads me to question your intentions, you give the impression of someone who doesn't want to see progress when you disparage and  discourage others.   
The only real way any change can come about is for people to start on a local level, and build up and out, and they are doing just that.  

Maybe we're beyond hope, but should we pass our cynicism onto the young?
How about offering some solutions, suggestions as to what we should be doing, but nicely.

Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:19:58 +0800
From: ewj at pigsqq.org
To: karenaram at hotmail.com
CC: niloofar.peace at gmail.com; rachelstrm at gmail.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace]  Organize!

I reside in Beijing presently.

I pretty much have the same access to info that you have but the

opinion shaping is not force fed to me as it would be if I 

were in the USA.  

I don't watch TV much.  I got out of the TV habit some 40 years ago

but I am aware that there are people who do watch TV and have I dabbled

with it.

I have followed the incidents with Assange, Snowden, Manning, that guy
they

blew up his car in California cant think of his name right now and too
lazy to

look in up, the Tsarnev bros, etc., Zimmerman, etc. 

The call goes out both far and near for - - -.

I think it is reprehensible that the USA has more people in jail than
any other

country in the world by any statistical measure.  

Those of you who want "justice" 

for Martin seem to love Big Sibling more than B.S. loves itself.

Jailing another person by the Over-dogs is Justice?

Justice?  

Nay, Revenge.

A scapegoat to atone for your sorry and pathetic existences

and carry them off into the dessert.  Cheesecake, please.

A capacitor to suck off the back EMF harmlessly to ground.

Kicking dogs is out-of-vogue.  Hammer time for the carpenters.

I just tell it as I see it.  Why should that piss you off?

Do you want to switch sides in this debate and see if I still piss you
off?

Is it me that pisses you or is it what I am saying?  Or the way I say
it?

Which senseless killing is that your fearless leaders are going to stop?

The killing of babies by the frenetic Lady Macbeth harpies of abortion?

Hey, Pilate. Throw 'em yer towel.

The mass murders at the hand of the American Empire?

Those minorities shooting each other in Chicago?

How?  

By disarming the people and leaving them completely

helpless against those who make merchandise of them day and night?

Is Occupy! working for the 1%?  

Seriously...  

Is it?

On 07/15/13 9:29, Karen Aram wrote:

  Nilofar, I second that, well said. What so many are
thinking.

I just came from the "protest/gathering in Champaign", it was a
discussion with impressive speakers. The leaders know exactly what to
do to prevent the senseless killings in the future, They are impressive
folks. They advised us to "get involved with the community, get on one
of the many Boards or Councils, and become politically active." That is
the only way to counteract the power of ALEC and the NRA.  In the
meantime they will warn their children how to keep a low profile so as
not to be targeted if such a thing is possible, how sad, so much for
childhood. 

Wayne you are in Dalian? Even in Shanghai one has limited access to
information and facts of such happenings in the US. Your attempt to
irritate/piss people off is effective. Your attempts to prevent them
from proceeding in their goals to achieve progress are not.

  Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:50:51 +0800

From: ewj at pigsqq.org

To: niloofar.peace at gmail.com

CC: karenaram at hotmail.com; rachelstrm at gmail.com;
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace at anti-war.net

Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Organize!

Absolutely Zimmerman was functioning as a sort of vigilante

doing a community watch.  I would agree that this sort of 

community patrolling by civilian is a variety of vigilante-ism

and is bound to lead ultimately to conflict between the watcher

and those watched.  The community watcher has all of the 

responsibility of a cop but not the authority of one.

Vigilantes like Zimmerman are not subject to the rules that 

may sometimes restrain the police.  I would not count on those rules

in Florida.  One of my friends a white guy got the literal piss beat out

of him by a Florida cop.  He was profiled by his out-of-state

license plate.  The only thing for him to do was to get his ass

the hell out of Florida and tend his bruises.

Profiling is applied epidemiology, a narrowing of the use of resources.

Similar knowledge about rats stopped the black plague.

(Now, that IS an unfortunate analogy!)

Does this sort of talk stress you out?

Go to the root cause.  

Profiling is an inevitable part of surveillance.

Who among us likes surveillance?

Where there is a perceived threat there is bound 

to be surveillance.  In applied epidemiology it is

sometimes called HACCP (hazard analysis/critical control point).

Since the George Zimmermen and the Deputy Dawgs of

the world do not stop and cavity search every person,

there is profiling to establish probable cause.  

Zimmerman made a Terry Stop.  Do we like Terry Stops?

Look at her.  She's groovy.  Yeah.  Check out that

spade.  He's groovy.  Yeah all spades are groovy.

Look at that.  She's not groovy.  Uh huh.

Check out her body paint. 

An oldie.  Faded San Franscisco art nouveau.

Check out her stash.  Aspirin.

Send her in.

*

From my perspective, y'all are pursuing George because he

is one of many white carpenters in an perceived army of Zimmerpersons.

Easy pickin's.  Low hanging fruit for social reformers.

From my perspective, Martin and Zimmerman (good Mennonite names, eh?)
are

both part of the 99%.  Zimmerman is part of the 99%.  What social good
is

there if Occupy! pursues the 99%?  Zimmerman sure 'nuf ain't part of
the 

1%, now is he?

Go ahead and lynch Zimmerman.  He's one of y'all.

Not because he is white or black or a rat or a flea or 

Yersinia pestis.

The challenge for OCCUPY! (as I see it) is to see the man

behind the curtain and go after him.

Some of y'all seem intent on joining the media circus.  

Enjoy your bread (or is it 'crackers'?) 

they supply you, but surely there

has got to be something better and more useful.

*

You say vigilante as if it is a bad thing.  

OCCUPY! is a vigilante organization if it is anything at all.

What?  

On 07/15/13 6:56, Niloofar Shambayati wrote:

    Zimmerman is a vigilante and nothing else.  His
suspicion was based on making assumptions based on a bigoted racial
profiling that puts NYPD to shame, which in turn easily led to
murdering Trayvon. Negative profiling directly leads to either
dehumanizing the other or taking their individuality away from them. In
either case, you see one mass of the same thing, the way Nazis
portrayed the Jews, the way most Israeli Jews view the Palestinians,
and the way our troops commit horrible acts of violence against Afghans
and Iraqis. Thus for a hateful Zimmerman, Trayvon was just a profile, a
microscopic part of the mass of "good-for--nothing, dangerous young
black men."  The vegetarian, animal-rights woman, who I am, uses the
same logic, when encountering a fly or a mosquito that bothers me and
justifies its killing.

    The people who profile Trayvon's parents as
"blood-thirsty/greedy" black people, are no better than Zimmerman 

    Niloofar

    On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, "E.
Wayne
Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigsqq.org>
wrote:

      The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the 

Champaign Police shootings of young black men.

Zimmerman may be an asshole or not.  I am not sure.

Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are 

indeed quasi-assholes.  Not all.

But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that basis he 

has been set free, because of the self-defense argument.

The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman

becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.

It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and 

Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing a hoodie.

The law permits people to have encounters and disagreement.

When it erupts into physical violence particularly life-threatening

violence, then a line is crossed.  The situation was

examined very clearly.

Justice my ass.

It's not justice that they are crying for.  

It's blood.

They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth

They want blood for bloodshed.

Well, actually what they want is Money.

But since there isn't any money available,

they'll settle for a few pints of blood,

and several ounces of testicular flesh if that

becomes available.

It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble movement

like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties

with the blood-lust crowd.

On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:

        Rachel

After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be attending the protest,
bringing a neighbor as well. 

Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black men from Emmet Till,
Jimmie Lee Jackson, Robert Hall etc., etc. murdered because of their
race, with the perpetrators so obviously being acquitted by unjust laws
and or decisions.  

Karen Aram

        From: rachelstrm at gmail.com

Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500

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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!

        Hey
folks---If anyone has heard of another demo being planned, I'm happy to
send notices out, cancel this one, and redirect people there. I've
contacted a number of African-American led organizations in town and
can't seem to tell if something is already in the works. Either way,
I'm happy to help try and get the word out and then redirect if need be.

        Okay,
here's
what
I got to start. https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create

        Please
forward
widely. 

        No
Justice, No Peace x Protest the
Verdict

        Sunday,
July
14th, 2013 |
6pm-8pm
        Douglass
Park
| 512 E. Grove
St. Champaign
        "George
Zimmerman,
the
neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon
Martin, an unarmed black teenager, igniting a national debate on racial
profiling and civil rights, was found not guilty late Saturday night of
second-degree murder." We
will
stand
together in Champaign-Urbana to demand accountability, to
stand against racial injustice, and to protest the verdict that proved the
injustice
of
the system. We
stand
with
Trayvon’s family and we know that we are called to act---to
fight for civil rights and for the removal of Stand
Your
Ground
laws in every state, and we will not rest until racial
profiling in all its forms is outlawed. Today
we
mourn,
but tomorrow we organize. #blacklivesmatter

Bring your friends, your family, your children, your neighbors. We
stand together as a community--all of us. Art, protest signs, candles,
and messages of outrage/hope/love/solidarity
are
encouraged. 
        Share on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create

        On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel
Storm <rachelstrm at gmail.com>
wrote:

          I
think we need an emergency demonstration tomorrow in response to the
Zimmerman verdict to show that Urbana community members/activists/folks
in solidarity do not stand for this outrageous demonstration of
injustice.

          Can
we plan to meet somewhere very public tomorrow (Sunday) at 6pm-ish?

          WHERE?

          Rachel

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