[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Tue Jul 16 00:47:02 UTC 2013
There are a number of lovely places around the world.
All of them have interesting challenges.
We moved back to the US from China in 2001 and
stayed 8 years 358 days 17 hours 25 minutes, approx.,
and went back to China.
It is quite interesting that an radical anarcholibertarian
like myself finds it more comfortable here and less confining
and authoritarian here than in Urbana.
On 07/16/13 0:42, Karen Aram wrote:
> Wayne
>
> Now you've got my attention and respect. Everyone elses as well, I
> suspect. Yes on all counts, whatever happens or is said from here on
> you've redeemed yourself and earned the right to be skeptical. I will
> desist challenging your comments and sarcastic wit. You've delivered a
> very worthy blue print for action, .
>
> Thank you
>
> PS I too often wonder why I returned to the US after years in Asia,
> given the direction we're headed.
>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:17:02 +0800
> From: ewj at pigsqq.org
> To: karenaram at hotmail.com
> CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!
>
> perhaps there are two or 3 things that motivate me to comment
> on the peace-discuss list. 1) I find the list interesting;
> 2) there's another expat down the road a couple thousand klicks
> that still makes some effort to change things, so he encourages me;
> 3) the influence of the US on the global situation. Bernanke moves
> his pen and a peasant in Guizhou moves in response. Spooky action
> at a distance. Seems worthwhile trying to modify it a little.
>
> *
>
>
> On 07/15/13 22:05, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" wrote:
>
> I do feel lucky to be where I am right now.
> Sometimes I do wonder why I should participate at all
> any more in any USA issues.
>
> *
>
> I'd like to see Occupy! rejuvenated or revived or revisited.
>
> Something that could be referred to as a Critical Mass has got to be
> achieved. Some have called it getting to a Tipping Point.
> Like-minded people have got to come together.
>
> It needs to be better organized, better funded, and more
> attractive to those with real influence in the society.
> There needs to be planning and provision for the needs of
> large groups people coming together. There needs to be
> some security muscle to keep minimum order inside and prevent
> disruptive elements from outside.
>
> There should be a consensus agenda that resonates with what the
> people are feeling in their hearts. It needs to draw enough
> people who are tired enough of what is going down that they
> are willing to do something to stop it. It should draw together
> people from different aspects of the sociopolitical spectrum to
> share their ideas, and some how be immune to the co-opting by
> the money and influence peddling of the oligarchy and the MSM.
>
> *
>
> United States and its constitutive elements should be responsive
> and responsible
> to the people. Presently the political system operates primarily
> as a well-entrenched oligarchy
> protected by ballot access laws and various other props, chicanery
> and shenanigans
> that game the system for the benefit of a few. The oligarchy must
> be evicted
> by whatever means prove necessary to accomplish their overthrow,
> preferably through
> legal channels.
>
> A general re-empowerment of the people to make their own choices,
> good, bad, or indifferent.
> Establish new institutions to truly help people not just be profit
> centres.
> Untangle bureaucracy and cut through red tape with the machete of
> common sense.
> Transparency in government to be the order of the day.
> Stop those who prey upon the poor and unprivileged.
> Stop vicious cycles that entrap the poor and the unlucky.
>
> A pact against violence. The natural response is to use force. A
> bloody revolution
> is unlikely to achieve desirable goals. However there has to be
> meaningful
> resistance and that can only be gotten legitimately by working
> through legitimate channels.
> Ya need the police on your side so that they can't make you leave.
>
> Release from the prisons those who have been imprisoned for many
> non-violent crimes.
> Replace the punitive incarceration system with a choice of
> reparative/restorative justice.
> Abolish ridiculous tort claims that do nothing for consumer
> protection but
> dramatically increase costs for the many at the benefit of a very few.
>
> If ya don't know that coffee is hot...?
>
> Cui bono? should be the litmus test of regulation.
>
> Nader, et al. came up with a consensus agenda for national action
> in 2008 that
> still looks pretty good to me, remarkably prescient in its present
> applicability.
> Some updating to the present situation is needed.
>
> Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with
> removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the
> return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea,
> Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war
> propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran,
> nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We
> must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and
> trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the
> table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
>
> Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all
> persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change
> the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA
> legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture,
> eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret
> prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly
> on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject
> the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and
> excessive use of executive orders.
>
> The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in
> the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next
> generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the
> value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not
> unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
>
> The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation
> and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships
> with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The
> arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind
> closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be
> ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no
> corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively
> prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.
>
> We support opening up the debates beyond the two parties and the
> Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD), a private corporation
> co-chaired by former chairmen of the Republican and Democratic
> Party. It is time for our Presidential Debates to once again be
> hosted by a truly non-partisan civic-minded association.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/15/13 11:52, Karen Aram wrote:
>
> Wayne
>
> Ok, you have the info, in Beijing, lucky you, out of the fray.
> People of substance rarely watch tv, certainly don't get their
> news from it.
> You're acurate, when it comes to critique on most counts, not
> all, but you make assumptions about those who are attempting
> to change the system locally.
> Your delivery is rude, and insensitive to others. You enjoy that.
> It leads me to question your intentions, you give the
> impression of someone who doesn't want to see progress when
> you disparage and discourage others.
> The only real way any change can come about is for people to
> start on a local level, and build up and out, and they are
> doing just that.
>
> Maybe we're beyond hope, but should we pass our cynicism onto
> the young?
> How about offering some solutions, suggestions as to what we
> should be doing, but nicely.
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:19:58 +0800
> From: ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>
> To: karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>
> CC: niloofar.peace at gmail.com
> <mailto:niloofar.peace at gmail.com>; rachelstrm at gmail.com
> <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>;
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] Organize!
>
> I reside in Beijing presently.
>
> I pretty much have the same access to info that you have but the
> opinion shaping is not force fed to me as it would be if I
> were in the USA.
>
> I don't watch TV much. I got out of the TV habit some 40 years ago
> but I am aware that there are people who do watch TV and have
> I dabbled
> with it.
>
> I have followed the incidents with Assange, Snowden, Manning,
> that guy they
> blew up his car in California cant think of his name right now
> and too lazy to
> look in up, the Tsarnev bros, etc., Zimmerman, etc.
>
> The call goes out both far and near for - - -.
>
> I think it is reprehensible that the USA has more people in
> jail than any other
> country in the world by any statistical measure.
>
> Those of you who want "justice"
> for Martin seem to love Big Sibling more than B.S. loves itself.
>
> Jailing another person by the Over-dogs is Justice?
>
> Justice?
>
> Nay, Revenge.
>
> A scapegoat to atone for your sorry and pathetic existences
> and carry them off into the dessert. Cheesecake, please.
>
> A capacitor to suck off the back EMF harmlessly to ground.
>
> Kicking dogs is out-of-vogue. Hammer time for the carpenters.
>
> I just tell it as I see it. Why should that piss you off?
>
> Do you want to switch sides in this debate and see if I still
> piss you off?
> Is it me that pisses you or is it what I am saying? Or the way
> I say it?
>
> Which senseless killing is that your fearless leaders are
> going to stop?
>
> The killing of babies by the frenetic Lady Macbeth harpies of
> abortion?
> Hey, Pilate. Throw 'em yer towel.
>
> The mass murders at the hand of the American Empire?
>
> Those minorities shooting each other in Chicago?
>
> How?
>
> By disarming the people and leaving them completely
> helpless against those who make merchandise of them day and night?
>
> Is Occupy! working for the 1%?
>
> Seriously...
>
> Is it?
>
>
>
>
> On 07/15/13 9:29, Karen Aram wrote:
>
> Nilofar, I second that, well said. What so many are thinking.
>
> I just came from the "protest/gathering in Champaign", it
> was a discussion with impressive speakers. The leaders
> know exactly what to do to prevent the senseless killings
> in the future, They are impressive folks. They advised us
> to "get involved with the community, get on one of the
> many Boards or Councils, and become politically active."
> That is the only way to counteract the power of ALEC and
> the NRA. In the meantime they will warn their children how
> to keep a low profile so as not to be targeted if such a
> thing is possible, how sad, so much for childhood.
>
> Wayne you are in Dalian? Even in Shanghai one has limited
> access to information and facts of such happenings in the
> US. Your attempt to irritate/piss people off is effective.
> Your attempts to prevent them from proceeding in their
> goals to achieve progress are not.
>
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> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 08:50:51 +0800
> From: ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>
> To: niloofar.peace at gmail.com <mailto:niloofar.peace at gmail.com>
> CC: karenaram at hotmail.com <mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>;
> rachelstrm at gmail.com <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>;
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>;
> peace at anti-war.net <mailto:peace at anti-war.net>
> Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>
> Absolutely Zimmerman was functioning as a sort of vigilante
> doing a community watch. I would agree that this sort of
> community patrolling by civilian is a variety of vigilante-ism
> and is bound to lead ultimately to conflict between the
> watcher
> and those watched. The community watcher has all of the
> responsibility of a cop but not the authority of one.
>
> Vigilantes like Zimmerman are not subject to the rules that
> may sometimes restrain the police. I would not count on
> those rules
> in Florida. One of my friends a white guy got the literal
> piss beat out
> of him by a Florida cop. He was profiled by his out-of-state
> license plate. The only thing for him to do was to get his ass
> the hell out of Florida and tend his bruises.
>
> Profiling is applied epidemiology, a narrowing of the use
> of resources.
> Similar knowledge about rats stopped the black plague.
> (Now, that IS an unfortunate analogy!)
>
> Does this sort of talk stress you out?
> Go to the root cause.
>
> Profiling is an inevitable part of surveillance.
> Who among us likes surveillance?
> Where there is a perceived threat there is bound
> to be surveillance. In applied epidemiology it is
> sometimes called HACCP (hazard analysis/critical control
> point).
>
> Since the George Zimmermen and the Deputy Dawgs of
> the world do not stop and cavity search every person,
> there is profiling to establish probable cause.
> Zimmerman made a Terry Stop. Do we like Terry Stops?
>
> Look at her. She's groovy. Yeah. Check out that
> spade. He's groovy. Yeah all spades are groovy.
> Look at that. She's not groovy. Uh huh.
> Check out her body paint.
> An oldie. Faded San Franscisco art nouveau.
> Check out her stash. Aspirin.
> Send her in.
>
> *
>
> >From my perspective, y'all are pursuing George because he
> is one of many white carpenters in an perceived army of
> Zimmerpersons.
> Easy pickin's. Low hanging fruit for social reformers.
>
> >From my perspective, Martin and Zimmerman (good Mennonite
> names, eh?) are
> both part of the 99%. Zimmerman is part of the 99%. What
> social good is
> there if Occupy! pursues the 99%? Zimmerman sure 'nuf
> ain't part of the
> 1%, now is he?
>
> Go ahead and lynch Zimmerman. He's one of y'all.
> Not because he is white or black or a rat or a flea or
> Yersinia pestis.
>
> The challenge for OCCUPY! (as I see it) is to see the man
> behind the curtain and go after him.
>
> Some of y'all seem intent on joining the media circus.
> Enjoy your bread (or is it 'crackers'?)
> they supply you, but surely there
> has got to be something better and more useful.
>
> *
> You say vigilante as if it is a bad thing.
> OCCUPY! is a vigilante organization if it is anything at all.
>
> What?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/15/13 6:56, Niloofar Shambayati wrote:
>
> Zimmerman is a vigilante and nothing else. His
> suspicion was based on making assumptions based on a
> bigoted racial profiling that puts NYPD to shame,
> which in turn easily led to murdering Trayvon.
> Negative profiling directly leads to either
> dehumanizing the other or taking their individuality
> away from them. In either case, you see one mass of
> the same thing, the way Nazis portrayed the Jews, the
> way most Israeli Jews view the Palestinians, and the
> way our troops commit horrible acts of violence
> against Afghans and Iraqis. Thus for a hateful
> Zimmerman, Trayvon was just a profile, a microscopic
> part of the mass of "good-for--nothing, dangerous
> young black men." The vegetarian, animal-rights woman,
> who I am, uses the same logic, when encountering a fly
> or a mosquito that bothers me and justifies its killing.
>
> The people who profile Trayvon's parents as
> "blood-thirsty/greedy" black people, are no better
> than Zimmerman
>
> Niloofar
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:31 AM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱
> 稳森" <ewj at pigsqq.org <mailto:ewj at pigsqq.org>> wrote:
>
> The Martin/Zimmerman incident is not like the
> Champaign Police shootings of young black men.
>
> Zimmerman may be an asshole or not. I am not sure.
> Most but not all cops and wannabee cops are
> indeed quasi-assholes. Not all.
>
> But clearly Zimmerman was attacked, and on that
> basis he
> has been set free, because of the self-defense
> argument.
> The cause of the dispute betwen Martin and Zimmerman
> becomes irrelevant when Zimmerman is attacked.
>
> It's not like Zimmerman just pulled out his gun and
> Oba-nam Style executed him because he was wearing
> a hoodie.
> The law permits people to have encounters and
> disagreement.
> When it erupts into physical violence particularly
> life-threatening
> violence, then a line is crossed. The situation was
> examined very clearly.
>
> Justice my ass.
> It's not justice that they are crying for.
> It's blood.
> They want an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth
> They want blood for bloodshed.
>
> Well, actually what they want is Money.
>
> But since there isn't any money available,
> they'll settle for a few pints of blood,
> and several ounces of testicular flesh if that
> becomes available.
>
> It is really a disgusting distraction for a noble
> movement
> like Occupy! to get down and grub for cooties
> with the blood-lust crowd.
>
>
> On 07/14/13 22:02, Karen Aram wrote:
>
> Rachel
>
> After today's AWARE meeting at 5:00, I will be
> attending the protest, bringing a neighbor as
> well.
> Trayvon Marvin represents the many young black
> men from Emmet Till, Jimmie Lee Jackson,
> Robert Hall etc., etc. murdered because of
> their race, with the perpetrators so obviously
> being acquitted by unjust laws and or decisions.
>
> Karen Aram
>
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> <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 03:51:39 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Organize!
>
> Hey folks---If anyone has heard of another
> demo being planned, I'm happy to send notices
> out, cancel this one, and redirect people
> there. I've contacted a number of
> African-American led organizations in town and
> can't seem to tell if something is already in
> the works. Either way, I'm happy to help try
> and get the word out and then redirect if need be.
>
> Okay, here's what I got to start.
> https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>
> Please forward widely.
>
> *No Justice, No Peace x Protest the Verdict
> *
> *Sunday, July 14th, 2013 | 6pm-8pm*
> *Douglass Park | 512 E. Grove St. Champaign*
> "George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch
> volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin, an
> unarmed black teenager, igniting a national
> debate on racial profiling and civil rights,
> was found not guilty late Saturday night of
> second-degree murder." We will stand together
> in Champaign-Urbana to demand accountability,
> to stand against racial injustice, and to
> protest the verdict that proved the injustice
> of the system. We stand with Trayvon’s family
> and we know that we are called to act---to
> fight for civil rights and for the removal of
> Stand Your Ground laws in every state, and we
> will not rest until racial profiling in all
> its forms is outlawed. Today we mourn, but
> tomorrow we organize. #blacklivesmatter
>
> Bring your friends, your family, your
> children, your neighbors. We stand together as
> a community--all of us. Art, protest signs,
> candles, and messages of
> outrage/hope/love/solidarity are encouraged.
> *Share on Facebook:
> *https://www.facebook.com/events/206857249471575/?context=create
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Rachel Storm
> <rachelstrm at gmail.com
> <mailto:rachelstrm at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think we need an emergency demonstration
> tomorrow in response to the Zimmerman
> verdict to show that Urbana community
> members/activists/folks in solidarity do
> not stand for this outrageous
> demonstration of injustice.
>
> Can we plan to meet somewhere very public
> tomorrow (Sunday) at 6pm-ish?
>
> WHERE?
>
> Rachel
>
>
>
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