[Peace-discuss] Comment on some recent faking & bluffing

[Laurie Solomon]

Paul,
I am really confused by this post of yours in that it is address to both Carl and myself and includes a post from Carl to me with ccs to others in which the statement “and if you read the article, the author says that this trial was fundamentally flawed because it left race out” is included a being part of Carl’s post.  However, I never received any such posting from Carl with that statement as part of it, so either I did not get this posting from Carl or that statement is yours and not Carl’s.  If the latter is the case, including it in bold font without indicating that it is your comment and not Carl’s is not very clear.

I did read the link to the Counterpunch article that Carl furnished and I understand that the author made that point; however, I do not think that the trial was fundamentally flawed because race was left out, although it may have been one of the flaws of the trial.  So in that regard, I disagree with the author.  I think that the fundamental flaw was not allowing evidence, testimony, and arguments concerning the fact that Zimmerman initiated the confrontation (for whatever reasons) and did not take the opportunity to  withdrawal before the physical elements of the fight began when he could have as well as the possibility that his actions could have been perceived by Martin as being threatening enough to make him fear for his safety. Race as a factor only speaks to possible motivation for Zimmerman’s noticing, following, and initiating a confrontation with Martin; but it is not really essential to deciding the guilt or non-guilt with respect to the charges.  It would be a fundamental flaw if Zimmerman was charge with deliberately killing Martin because of his race but any consideration of race and racism were excluded from consideration.

If your message and the inclusion of the said bold type statement was directed to Carl and not really to me, then I will let Carl speak for himself.



From: Paul Mueth 
Sent: July 16, 2013 6:10 PM
To: C. G. Estabrook ; Laurie Solomon 
Cc: Szoke, Ronald Duane ; Peace Discuss 
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Comment on some recent faking & bluffing





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From: C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
To: Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com> 
Cc: "Szoke, Ronald Duane" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; Peace Discuss <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: CP article & Comment on some recent joking


'...William Kunstler, the great civil rights attorney who died in 1995, once told me he believed in the jury system absolutely. “If I didn’t,” he said, “I’d quit this tomorrow and get a gun instead.”

'“Even in the South?” I asked him.

'“Even in the South,” Bill said.

'It was his experience, Bill said, that even in bigoted communities, juries would, with rare exceptions, base their decisions on what transpired within the courtroom...'

Full at <http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/07/15/why-george-zimmerman-walked/>.

and if you read the article, the author says that this trial was fundamentally flawed because it left race out
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Zimmerman Juror Says Panel Considered Stand Your Ground In Deliberations: ‘He Had A Right To Defend Himself’  tho't I'd leave this line in again
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This idiotic joking about coon and animal epithets probably doesn't deserve comment.  But .. . 
Mencken's dispassionate etymology include the story of the 1889 song Every Race Has a Flag But the Coon,

This was a time of widespread lynching on the slimmest pretext. 1909 was the Springfield "race riot" that lead to the forming of the NAACP. It was really an attack on the least poor A-A neighborhood which was burned out, probably motivated in part by economic reasons.

The chuckling fraternity that says "Americans are too sensitive about particular words" ought to examine their callousness.

BTW I introduced the word "coon" because some are convinced that the 911 call transcript is wrong and does include Z using the word. It's peculiar there's no authoritative understanding of the truth of what was said and by who.





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