[Peace-discuss] More differential application of SYG

[Joy George]

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Joy George

On Jul 18, 2013, at 3:41 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:

> So we should simply vote to convict in drug trials?
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> On Jul 18, 2013, at 11:08 AM, Laurie Solomon <ls1000 at live.com> wrote:
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>> It is an interesting strategy; but like most strategies that might be theoretically effective to some degree, I doubt = practically speaking - that one would find the numbers of people needed to actually engage in the strategy to make it effective.  I further think that once the establishment caught on they would implement much stricter screening of jurors and definitions of who should make up the jury pool as well as easing the number of jurors needed to establish a verdict.  Given the recent trend toward juries with fewer members (i.e., from 12 to 6), changing the rules from needing total agreement to reach a verdict to some lesser number would either defeat the success of the strategy in most cases; if a mistrial took place, it would result in placing the defendant in limbo and jailed until a trial could be had in which a verdict was reached, which in effect would mean indefinite incarceration that would serve the establishment's original intent.
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>> -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook
>> Sent: July 18, 2013 9:59 AM
>> To: "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
>> Cc: Laurie Solomon ; Peace-discuss List ; ocCUpy
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] More differential application of SYG
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>> David Simon, the creator of The Wire:
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>> "In an essay published [in 2008] in Time magazine, the writers of The Wire made the argument that we believe the war on drugs has devolved into a war on the underclass, that in places like West and East Baltimore, where the drug economy is now the only factory still hiring and where the educational system is so crippled that the vast majority of children are trained only for the corners, a legal campaign to imprison our most vulnerable and damaged citizens is little more than amoral. And we said then that if asked to serve on any jury considering a non-violent drug offense, we would move to nullify that jury’s verdict and vote to acquit. Regardless of the defendant, I still believe such a course of action would be just in any case in which drug offenses—absent proof of violent acts—are alleged."
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>> <http://www.slate.com/content/slate/blogs/browbeat/2011/03/10/david_simon_creator_of_t