[Peace-discuss] Fw: [socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict
"E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森"
ewj at pigsqq.org
Sun Jul 21 17:56:42 UTC 2013
Obama is a manipulator.
"He's a slick bourgeois war criminal."
He dont give a rat's ass about any of you.
On 07/22/13 1:27, David Johnson wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Reimann <mailto:1999wildcat at gmail.com>
> *To:* socialist discussion <mailto:socialistdiscussion at yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict
>
> As I wrote before, Obama is not Bush.
>
> His was a subtly nuanced speech. He and his faction of
> corporate-controlled politicians (a faction known as the Democratic
> Party) stand at risk of losing an important base - the black
> community. This is not only important for their election prospects,
> even more significant it is a threat to the continued political
> stability of US capitalism. If you read the speech closely, you will
> see how he tries to connect with the black community without in any
> way threatening the forces of "law and order".
>
> I am reminded of the speech that Lyndon Baines Johnson gave after the
> Alabama police attack on Civil rights marchers in Selma in 1965. I was
> at City College of New York at that time. It had a very liberal
> student body. I remember coming to school after that brutal assault
> and fellow students were furious not only about the assault but also
> about Johnson's failure to act. A day or two later, Johnson gave a
> strongly worded speech which he concluded with "We shall overcome! We
> shall overcome!" I came to school the next day and a lot of my friends
> were ecstatic about the speech. I simply asked them, "yes, but what
> did he say he was going to do?" They looked at me in confusion and
> said nothing.
>
> This is not 1965, Obama is not Johnson and masses of people are not
> organized as they were back then (not yet, anyway), but the point is
> the same.
>
> John
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Richard Mellor <AACTIVIST at igc.org
> <mailto:AACTIVIST at igc.org>> wrote:
>
> Obama is referring to this for one reason. He has been forced to
> shift from "the jury has spoken" and we are a nation of laws, due
> to the pressure in the streets. There have been protests in over
> 100 cities. Here in the Oakland area there were overwhelmingly
> peaceful protests including the blocking of a major freeway. I
> thought it was interesting in that report from the local news that
> they talked to a couple of the motorists and they were quite
> supportive though it inconvenienced them. This is Murdoch's
> station and it is not insignificant they there wasn't the usual
> tirade against protesters. There is considerable opposition to
> this verdict even among whites and the capitalist class is wary.
> I know a number of people that wouldn't attend the first rallies
> because they were afraid of violence but protests have been
> overwhelmingly non violent.
>
>
> My 15 year old grandson, who is black, impressed me as he told me
> he called in to KGO late last night to speak on the Trayvon Martin
> verdict after some white dude had called in saying something about
> how black youth need to dress in a way that doesn't scare white
> folks. When you have a child, grandchild or relative who is
> black, male and dark skinned like my grandson you are always
> concerned when they are out there in the streets simply minding
> their own business.
>
> I am not moved by Obama's personal stories. He's a slick bourgeois
> war criminal.
>
> Richard
>
> On Jul 21, 2013, at 7:43 AM, Dan <dan.armstronguk at yahoo.co.uk
> <mailto:dan.armstronguk at yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> As a young man with dark hair and a beard, I lived abroad for a
>> time. I recognise exactly what Obama is referring to: little old
>> ladies clutched their handbags tightly, some crossed the road to
>> avoid my proximity. Many glared and even ignored greetings. And I
>> am not even black.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> --- In socialistdiscussion at yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com>, John Reimann
>> <1999wildcat at ...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I, too, think that ignoring the rest of Obama's speech is not
>> correct. I
>> > too think that we have to give him his due credit. However, we
>> also have to
>> > consider what sort of credit he is due.
>> >
>> > Those who say that there is no difference between Obama and
>> Bush are
>> > mistaken. The key difference is that Bush was obtuse. There is
>> a reason
>> > that the tops of the US capitalist class maneuvered Obama into
>> power.
>> > Internationally as well as domestically, they realized that the
>> approach of
>> > Bush would cause immense problems. Internationally, they knew
>> that the US
>> > was going to need allies in its future wars and to get them the
>> US couldn't
>> > just go around invading any country it wanted anytime it wanted.
>> > Domestically, they knew the then just developing economic
>> crisis meant that
>> > they would need a president who would have some populist
>> credentials. It's
>> > no accident that the two top contenders for the 2008 presidential
>> > nomination were a woman and a black man.
>> >
>> > When Zimmerman was first let off, Obama more or less dismissed
>> it with a
>> > comment that the jury had decided and we live in a system of
>> laws. The
>> > outrage, especially in the black community, must have been
>> communicated to
>> > him. This would have been done through the black ministers, as
>> well as
>> > police spies, etc. He and his advisors realized that something
>> had to be
>> > said to mollify people, especially in the black community. If
>> you read the
>> > transcript of his speech, it's clear that that is what he was
>> trying to do,
>> > while at the same time not offencing anybody in law enforcement
>> or the
>> > criminal (in)justice system (including the judge).
>> >
>> > His speech was really a pretty highly nuanced one, and we need
>> to recognize
>> > it.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:21 AM, David Johnson
>> <davidjohnson1451 at ...
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > **
>> > > *That's typical Obama !*
>> > > **
>> > > *He talks a good talk, but actions always speak louder than
>> words, and he
>> > > never does what is in the best interests of ; Working people,
>> justice, etc..
>> > > *
>> > > *In fact, I seriously doubt Obama has had in his lifetime even a
>> > > microcasm of negative racial experiences that the average
>> African American
>> > > has had. Considering Obama's priviledged background ;
>> Mother's family in
>> > > the banking industry and the U.S. Intelligence community as
>> well as an
>> > > Indonesian colonel step-father. All the best private schools,
>> and then
>> > > Columbia university, Harvard, and then the University of
>> Chicago.*
>> > > **
>> > > *David J.*
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > *From:* Dan <dan.armstronguk at ...>
>> > > *To:* socialistdiscussion at yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2013 5:40 AM
>> > > *Subject:* Re: Fw: [socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Picking out 4 sentences from Obama's 18 minute speech in which he
>> > > recounted amongst much else his personal experience of racist
>> reactions to
>> > > himself as a young man seems to me to be wholly unfair. Give
>> credit where
>> > > it is due, even when it is contradicted by other things the
>> man does or
>> > > doesn't do.
>> > >
>> > > Dan
>> > >
>> > > --- In socialistdiscussion at yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:socialistdiscussion%40yahoogroups.com>, "David Johnson"
>> > > <davidjohnson1451@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Did anyone really expect anything else from Obama, considering
>> > > everything he has done ( or not done ) in the past ?
>> > > > Unless of course it is on behalf of corporate amerika, then
>> he is gung
>> > > ho and spare no time or expense to make it happen.
>> > > >
>> > > > David Johnson
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: Richard Mellor
>> > > > To: Rogerslist
>> > > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 3:38 PM
>> > > > Subject: [socialistdiscussion] obama on verdict
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Obama spoke today on the Zimmerman verdict:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "The judge conducted the trial in a professional manner.
>> The prosecution
>> > > and the defense made their arguments. The jurors were
>> properly instructed
>> > > that in a case such as this reasonable doubt was relevant,
>> and they
>> > > rendered a verdict," Obama said. "And once the jury has
>> spoken, that's how
>> > > our system works."
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> http://news.yahoo.com/-obama--trayvon-martin-%E2%80%98could-have-been-me-35-years-ago%E2%80%99--180734663.html
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "Just because you don't take an interest in politics
>> doesn't mean
>> > > politics won't take an interest in you." Pericles, 430 BC
>> > > >
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