[Peace-discuss] 9/11 inside job....

Fri Jul 26 03:22:54 UTC 2013

30% of US citizens doubt the official story about 9/11 ---> 30% of the world's population believe that zionists killed 3000 people on 9/11 ---> inside job
I would argue that we're not talking about a few easy steps to get from one to the other. Also, your use of the exaggeration is very troubling to me. If you're going to cite polls and change the wording to help your argument, then we have a serious issue which could result in credibility issues for what you're trying to convey. Also, as far as doubting the official story about 9/11, what exactly does that mean when people feel that way? I think there is a broad spectrum that people could fall into in doubting the official story. One end of that spectrum is that the government wasn't diligent in preventing it, which is a far cry from being responsible for it. 

Furthermore, do you suggest that polls equate to truth?  Here are a few polls you may find interesting.
The Newsweek magazine poll "What America Knows," conducted Princeton Survey Research Associates International, regularly asks American citizens a wide range of questions relating to world events both past and present, and a number of more trivial questions of general knowledge. On five occasions the following question has been asked:

"Do you think Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq was directly involved in planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001?"September 2003 responses: 47% Yes, 37% No, 16% not sure.January 2004 responses: 49% Yes, 39% No, 12% not sure.September 2004 responses: 42% Yes, 44% No, 14% not sure.October 2004 responses: 36% Yes, 51% No, 13% not sure.June 2007 responses: 41% Yes, 50% No, 9% not sure.
Those are some disturbingly increasing percentages in the yes column through the years. What should we take from that?
There was also a poll out last year that 46% of Americans believe that God created the human race in a single day 10,000 years ago. What's my point? My point is that polls certainly don't change my opinion or beliefs nor are they indicative of the truth.
Chris Goodrow

(217) 898-5039

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 19:36:17 -0700
From: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
Subject: 9/11 inside job....
To: c_goodrow at hotmail.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; occupyCU at lists.chambana.net; davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net

The phrase 'murdered 3000 people' is an exaggeration.  Obviously no poll would be worded that way.    But here's one site that I'm relying on.  http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/535.php  2008     Here is the relevant sentence: On average, 46 percent said that al Qaeda was behind the attacks while 15 percent say the US government, seven percent Israel, and
 seven percent some other perpetrator. One in four said they do not know.   Only 46% think it was al Queda... the MSM sure has a different view .... 29% thought it was either US/Israel/other....I'm not that far off...Anti Americanism and anti Israel sentiment is substantially higher now in 2013 because of disastrous wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria...on and on... I'm sure if one disagreed with my premise they would interpret the data differently.

and from an Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth promotion .... seeTHIS IS THE YEAR WE MAKE IT HAPPEN!In spite of the fact that the 9/11 truth message has been censored by many in the media, ignored by Congress and the President, and shunned by most academic
 institutions, polls still show that more than 30% of US citizens doubt the official story about 9/11. Let’s reach out to the rest!This is probably where I pulled the statistic from in the moment that I wrote the sentence.  Obviously, if you think that the official story is wrong, there's only a few easy steps toward calling it an inside job.

Stephen:or I would love to see some sort of documentation supporting the assertion that 30% of the world's population is convinced that Zionists murdered 3000 people on 9/11. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware of this or not, but most holocaust deniers do not like that term and prefer to be called holocaust revisionists. Semantics? I don't know. It does seem that many of who you reference on your page are people who are considered holocaust deniers.
David Gehrig:
I
 don't know that I necessarily agree that a holocaust denier (revisionist) is anti-semitic. I mean, having a distorted view of history and being wrong about it does not necessarily mean that you hate or have a prejudice against Jewish people. While I would agree that anti-semitics are more likely to be holocaust deniers, I don't think that equates to all holocaust deniers being anti-semitic.

Chris Goodrow
(217) 898-5039

I don't know that I necessarily agree that a holocaust denier (revisionist) is anti-semitic. I mean, having a distorted view of history and being wrong about it does not necessarily mean that you hate or have a prejudice against Jewish people. While I would agree that anti-semitics are more likely to be holocaust deniers, I don't think that equates to all holocaust deniers being anti-semitic.

Chris Goodrow
(217)
 898-5039

Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:57:52 -0700
From: stephenf1113 at yahoo.com
To: david-cu at nukulele.org
CC: Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; occupyCU at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [OccupyCU]
 [Peace-discuss] Online activism...

It can easily be proven that Zionist's murdered 3000 people on 9/11.  Thirty percent of the world's population is convinced of this.  The tide is turning.  I'm not antisemitic.  I'm anti Zionist. and also not a holocaust denier, but a holocaust revisionist.  The world also is waking up to the fact that the Zionists have used the holocaust to advance their politically and financial ends like no others in the history of the world.  Their have been countless genocides and only the Zionists use for gain.... Period.
From: David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org>
To: Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> 
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I see your News Follow-Up site still says that "the Holocaust is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind" and still links to videos from the world's leading Holocaust deniers.
Which is to say, you still have an overtly antisemitic site. 

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On Jul 25, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hello all.  This post concerns the issue of whether spending a lot of time posting things on Facebook or local discussion lists is a productive thing to do in
 the world of social justice and activism.Yesterday (July 24th)a staffer at the Facebook page 'Prepare to Take America Back' made a link to a page of my websiteNewsFollowUp.com http://www.newsfollowup.com/obama_body_count_obama_death_list_re-election_cia_gay.htm concerning a list that is known as the Obama Body Count...etc.  The link garnered 121 shares and 174 likes in just a few hours (see http://www.newsfollowup.com/facebook.html.)
  This is quite difficult to do as you all know on Facebook.  Prepare to Take America Back is a right wing conservative page that I actually don't like, but at this point any credible political attack from either side of the isle on Obama is needed.  As Jimmy Carter recently put it: "We know longer have a functioning democracy". Anyway, Prepare to Take America Back Facebook has about 120,000 likes and 216,000 people 'talking about this'.  This is nationally substantial.  It is very encouraging to me that my work is seen by people in these numbers. NewsFollowUp.com http://www.newsfollowup.com/index.html enjoys about 50,000 to 100,000 page views per month and about 10% of  NFU viewers spend almost 600 hours per month on the site..  But this is nothing compared to the 20 million or so per month that Fox News has.  ...but...  from what I can tell, the average Facebook post gets one or two likes/shares per post if any at all.  I (Facebook name Occupy Occupy) have about 4700 Facebook friends and 516 people who 'follow' me and occasionally my posts will get shared a dozen times or so but usually not and many times no shares or likes.  Even someone like the nationally known activist Cindy Sheehan only has a couple of dozen shares and maybe 50-100 likes each on her posts.  My point here is that ... is it worth it to be spending hours and hours online posting remarks that only a few people see?  I
 think yes is the answer, but only in the context of you being in a sea of protesters doing the same thing.  Individually it is pretty pathetic, but social media on a world wide basis has made a huge difference... ie Egypt, Tunisia...etc.As you can see from the front page of http://www.newsfollowup.com/index.html my focus is on 9/11 Truth.  I just believe that this is the most important issue in modern times.  It is the 'head of the snake'.  There is mountains of proof that the Cheneys/Bushes/Zionists of the world murdered 3000 people on 9/11 which has ushered in the Patriot Act/NSA/TSA... etc.  2000 engineers and architects of the website http://www.ae911truth.org/ Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth professional prove that 3 WTC towers were demolished with explosives.  We need to put these people in jail.  Working on anything else is important but doesn't threaten them in any way.... they just keep on doing what they do.Anyway, I'm done.  Thanks for listening.Steve FrancisNewsFollowUp.com 
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