[Peace-discuss] Manning case

[Carl G. Estabrook]

Tolkien is, perhaps surprisingly, a presence in the remarkable play running now at the Urbana's Station Theatre, Mark St. Germain's "Freud's Last Session," directed by Tom Mitchell. Two brilliant local actors confront one another as Sigmund Freud and C. S. Lewis, meeting in London as the Second World War breaks out.  

The passage quoted shows why he's a presence in this debate about God, morality, and war. --CGE


On Jul 27, 2013, at 9:34 AM, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" <ewj at pigsqq.org> wrote:

> It's all wrong. By rights we shouldn't even be here. But we are. It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger, they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end. Because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you. That meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going. Because they were holding on to something.
> Frodo: What are we holding onto, Sam?
> Sam: That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo... and it's worth fighting for.” 
> 
> ― J.R.R. Tolkien,  The Two Towers  
> 
> 
> On 07/27/13 22:18, "E. Wayne Johnson 朱稳森" wrote:
>> 
>> Bradley Manning is a soldier.   If you are a soldier,
>> your ass belongs to the armed forces.
>> 
>> I dont believe that he aided the Enemy unless one
>> considers the Amerikan people to be the enemy 
>> (and that is a option, it seems).
>> 
>> However, when you sign up to be a soldier, you
>> sign up to be a killing machine nothing less or more.
>> The military cannot tolerate having soldiers that 
>> practice rebellion.  
>> 
>> Rebellion among soldiers is common enough but if
>> they fail to overturn their masters, the punishment
>> is always severe.
>> 
>> I think Manning is a Hero.  He will go to jail
>> in all likelyhood.  We can hope that some honorable
>> people will be elected who will spring him from the slammer.
>> 
>> Saying that jail time for Manning will curtail 
>> reporting is not exactly correct.  
>> The CIA-like barbecuing of that reporter guy in California might.
>> 
>> They can't exactly come after civilians in quite the same way
>> as they can soldiers.  Manning is government property.  
>> 
>> You and I are not, even though they want to act we are.
>> 
>> On a positive note, I saw that Glenn Greenwald will testify
>> before Congress.  That should be interesting.
>> 
>> The backlash from the Dreyfus-like treatment of 
>> Snowden, Manning, Assange may harm the Obamites yet.
>> 
>> Couldnt happen to a better bunch of SOB's.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/27/13 21:33, Karen Aram wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Defense rests in Manning court-martial - World Socialist Web Site
>>> http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/07/27/mann-j27.html
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