[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)

Mon Jun 17 22:38:30 UTC 2013

B.O. Stinks.


On 06/17/13 23:59, Karen Aram wrote:
> Carl
>
> Nope, that was a good one. It made the point, it addressed him and 
> evidently discouraged him from running for re-election, or so they say.
> We're not in DC, what do you suggest for Champaign, Il, that rymes 
> with "Obama"?
>
> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float 
> (or sink?)
> > From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 08:58:20 -0500
> > CC: peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; 
> m-taber at illinois.edu; occupycu at lists.chambana.net; r-szoke at illinois.edu
> > To: karenaram at hotmail.com
> >
> > Karen--
> >
> > On that basis, would you say that the use of the anti-Veitnam War chant,
> >
> > "Hey, hey, LBJ / How many kids did you kill today?"
> >
> > was a mistake, forty-five years ago?
> >
> > It seems to me, on the contrary, that it pointed out to a yet 
> unknowing world, just what the then US president was presiding over.
> >
> > --CGE
> >
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:24 AM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Carl
> > >
> > > I agree with you that there is no need to remove Obama's name from 
> the current US Wars. We call on "him" to close Guantanamo, we sign 
> petitions to him to stop the wars and killings, yes, he has final say. 
> However I do believe as I did in the 60's & 70's that the signs and 
> statements making jest or villianizing individuals is trivializing 
> what is a joint effort in respect to US government foreign policy, 
> precisely because we don't have a King. My years in Thailand have not 
> made me fearful of lese majeste in the US.
> > > I in no way wish to "censor", only look at the goals AWARE is 
> attempting to achieve.
> > > I admire and respect what you have been doing as an individual and 
> as a group.
> > >
> > > Karen Aram
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)
> > > > From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> > > > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 19:58:57 -0500
> > > > CC: r-szoke at illinois.edu; rohnkoester at gmail.com; 
> peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; 
> m-taber at illinois.edu;occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> > > > To: karenaram at hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > > I'm constantly surprised by the tendency of opponents of today's 
> US war to remove Obama's name from it.
> > > >
> > > > Nothing similar occurred in regard to Reagan's wars of the 
> 1980s, or Nixon's of the 1970s (or Germany's of the 1940s).
> > > >
> > > > I'm coming to think that we're dealing with what the 
> psychoanalysts call "identification with the aggressor" - what abused 
> spouses or children apparently sometimes do, in excusing the crimes of 
> the abusers. ("He didn't really want to do it"/ "He's promised he'll 
> do better"/etc. - cf. the reactions to Obama's National Defense 
> University speech.)
> > > >
> > > > We're so horrified by all those dead children lying on hillsides 
> in Pakistan, and Obama's relentless expansion of a war that he was 
> clearly elected to end, that we make up an explanation in which things 
> are not as bad as they clearly are.
> > > >
> > > > But not telling the truth is not the way to build opposition to 
> the administration's murderous policies.
> > > >
> > > > --CGE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can we focus on the anti-war and the unconstitutionality of it 
> all, without naming individuals?
> > > > > I know its frustrating that so many democrats still have their 
> head in the sands, blaming all our ills on the republicans, but 
> targeting Obama, appears to many as teaparty rhetoric, thus in the 
> name of winning hearts and minds can we just refer to the US Govt. in 
> general?
> > > > > I'm heading over to the White Horse Inn for the meeting, on 
> the assumption that there will be a meeting.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [OccupyCU] 4th of July - AWARE float (or sink?)
> > > > > > From: carl at newsfromneptune.com
> > > > > > Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:32:59 -0500
> > > > > > CC: rohnkoester at gmail.com; karenaram at hotmail.com; 
> peace-discuss at anti-war.net; thenewmoon37 at yahoo.com; 
> m-taber at illinois.edu;occupycu at lists.chambana.net
> > > > > > To: r-szoke at illinois.edu
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Obama has chosen to prosecute a widening war at least as 
> viciously (and unconstitutionally) as his predecessor - or as Nixon in 
> SE Asia.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How can we exculpate him and still say we oppose the war? No 
> one made him kill all those people.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --CGE
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Let me tell you what I felt - and maybe some of the rest of 
> you felt - when I saw the pictures of the Bush library dedication. 
> There was a group of men standing there, former presidents, the ones 
> that are alive. Every one of them is a major criminal. A major 
> criminal. Obama is continuing the grand tradition — that shouldn’t be 
> a great surprise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The sentence that came to my mind at the time is from 
> Thomas Jefferson, who said, 'I tremble for my country when I think 
> that God is just, and some day will bring us to his judgment.'" [Noam 
> Chomsky]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 16, 2013, at 1:17 PM, "Szoke, Ronald Duane" 
> <r-szoke at illinois.edu> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wish there were some way to relate our war & racism 
> concerns more directly to the parade's official themes. I'll walk for 
> whatever theme or slogan is chosen, but hoping it will not be merely 
> the hundredth or thousandth instance of pounding on the demon Obama. 
> Will probably be at Bloomsday event today around time of the AWARE 
> meeting.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -- Ron
> > > > > >
> > > >
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