[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] New bishop of Rome...

[Paul Mueth]

>  CGE's remarks on my lending the aforementioned book to him was - <junior ranked faculty at second rate university>
    roughly, not recorded.

If you still have the book BTW, do pass it on to someone who'll read it and return it to me. . . 

> The historical scholarship of this book has been criticized . . 

Amazon customer book review by Elsie Mandelbaum who seems to specialize in accusations of anti Catholicism

The ludicrous analogy to shooting into a building seems to be all CGE and doesn't rate a reply.

Also this is my last posting to any of these lists re "il pape" and his every sperm is sacred idiocy.

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On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:45 AM, "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:

> The historical scholarship of this book has been criticized. "The authors ignore the anti-abortion position of the early ('Patristic') church. The Didache, Tertullian, and Athenagoras categorically condemn all abortion, regardless of what stage at which it is performed. The authors rightly show that Augustine and Aquinas supported the theory of delayed animation, but they fail to show that these authors also categorically condemned abortion at all stages. Later abortion was more gravely evil than an early abortion (just as first-degree murder is more evil than second-degree murder), but all abortion was condemned as wrong. The canon law of the same period showed the same graded but clear condemnation of all abortion."
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> The philosophical argument seems equally weak. The authors concede that ending a human life is wrong: they simply dispute at what point human life can be said to begin. But surely one must err on the side of caution in this matter: if I just think - but am not sure - that someone is inside a building, I can't fire a gun into it.
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> For what seems to me a better argument, see <http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/philosophical/future.shtml>.  --CGE   
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> 
> On Mar 14, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Paul Mueth <paulmueth at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> On Mar 13, 2013, at 11:03 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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>>> I think that notion about quickening is largely a myth, Mike. 
>>> 
>>> From Patristic times Christians regarded any interference with fetal life as a delict
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>> CGE well knows ad hominem arguement as he notoriously employed one in dismissing the authors of the UI Press published A Brief Liberal Catholic Defense of Abortion
>