[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] [OccupyCU] "The Progressive Movement is astroturf beholden to the rich elite…"

[Carl G. Estabrook]

Shouldn't we be discussing why it is the case that, ten years after the largest antiwar demonstrations in history, the USG is able to spread murder and torture around the world - particularly in the Mideast and North Africa - without let or hindrance, except from its victims?

How has the domestic anti-war movement been so neutralized? The article referred to in the subject line provides part of the answer, and yes, identity politics provides some more. ("Opposition to Obama is racist!")  

The child-killer in the White House will not be restrained until enough Americans become aware of the crimes their government is committing in their name, though not in their interest. It will take a movement like that for civil rights or against the SE Asian war to reverse the Bush-Obama war policy. 

The Obama administration is aware of that - see Obama's discussion of the Vietnam war in The Audacity of Hope - and determined that such an opposition shall not develop. They'll stop at very little - note their actions in regard to Wikileaks and the Occupy movement, the assassination program and indefinite detention without trial.

We should be working on ways to stop them.  --CGE


On Mar 21, 2013, at 7:30 PM, Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 3/21/2013 6:30 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> The leaflet is attached; it was circulated by members of AWARE.
>> 
>> The objections were directed (as my article describes) at those of us who had earlier circulated a flyer critical of Obama at his "town meeting."
>> 
>> The substance of that flyer is contained in the article: <http://www.counterpunch.org/2005/09/29/illinois-anti-warriors-and-the-attractive-senator/>.
>> 
>> Everyone is not/was not mad at me. Identity politics was (and is) an issue.
> Carl,
> Yeah, that could be a long discussion. In fact, it was a discussion 
> probably started around 1969. Looks like we're making quick work of that 
> one as the American left, which I presume is different from them durn' 
> "liberals."
> 
> In its latest iteration here, at least you're only trying to settle 
> things from 2005, when Obama was still wiping the moisture from behind 
> his ears as the very junior senator from the Land of Lincoln.
> 
> How is being firmly stuck in the past going to win us victory tomorrow? 
> I think even Lenin would be starting to look around and think more about 
> when the seminar will be dismissed so he can get a beer than listen to 
> the instructor recount his own grad school ideological conflicts for the 
> nth time.
> Mike
>