[Peace-discuss] Fw: [sftalk] [sf-core] More dead children onObama's watch

[David Gehrig]

More mice out there than I thought. Is there a litmus paper maker's convention going on in CU I don't know about?

One of the things you notice about the rhetoric of tea partiers is that it's always ten seconds to midnight, civilization is always tipping in the balance, the country is always a hair's breadth from destruction, each day is the worst day yet, the sky keeps falling ever faster yet it never seems to get here. Carl demonstrates that it's not just the far right who see the world in Apocalypto-Vision, and who drive away potential allies that way. 

As far as your questions -- sorry, I gave up Inquisitions for Lent. 

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On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:31 PM, "David Johnson" <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:

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> From: David Johnson
> To: David Gehrig
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> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [sftalk] [sf-core] More dead children onObama's watch
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> So Mr. Gehrig,
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> What are YOU doing to try to slow and or stop the assualt of austerity and neo-liberalism, and the ; harm, pollution, death and destruction it is causing to Working people world-wide  ?
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> David Johnson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Gehrig
> To: C. G. Estabrook
> Cc: sftalk at yahoogroups.com ; peace discuss
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 5:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [sftalk] [sf-core] More dead children onObama's watch
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> What Mike's trying to say is that not even Jeremiah was on an endless jeremiad. 
> Or, as Carlyle's non-existent Herr Teufelsdröckh apostrophized Voltaire: "Only a torch for burning, no hammer for building? Take our thanks, then, and -- thyself away." 
> I have to admit that at this point you're reminding me of the former leader of the unmourned San Francisco IMC, a would-be messiah who claimed to represent the "global justice movement." This global justice movement he invoked always agreed with him on every single point - and thus when he spoke he claimed to speak in the name of the entire planet. And anyone who disagreed with him he characterized as "working against the global justice movement" and therefore against the entire planet.  
> It soon became clear that the global justice movement was a mouse that lived exclusively in his, and only his, pocket, having appointed him alone as spokesman.
> I see you have a mouse too, Carl, and it's called "the left." 
> @%<
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> On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:41 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
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>> Does the choir believe that the administration's military and economic policies - assassination and austerity for short - should be reversed? 
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>> I rather thought the choir lent "critical support" to those policies. E.g., drones should be used "responsibly," and judicious cuts should be made in "entitlements." 
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>> Does the choir believe that the chief magistrate should be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, including murder and violations of the Constitution?
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>> I rather thought they would not support a call for Obama to be imprisoned along with Bush in The Hague, both awaiting trial for war crimes. (And they should be joined by others.)  
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>> I think there are real differences between liberals and the left. Liberals think Obama is doing the best he can for the 99%, and the left sees him as the minion of the 1%.
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>> There's a fairly clear choice between supporting and opposing the administration.
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>> And I do think Obama fears public dissent and resistance, expressed in action and argument, and will do a great deal to nullify it. 
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>> He knows that such opposition is the only real check on the exercise of US military and economic power - other than the resistance of our victims. 
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>> On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Mike Lehman <rebelmike at earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>> ...
>>> Carl,
>>> Everyone of us is acutely aware of this sort of stuff. You're preaching to the choir..
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