[Peace-discuss] Pres. Obama: Tap Sen. Ron Wyden to Head the NSA

Sun Oct 20 02:24:27 UTC 2013

but i am supporting david green, as you should know from reading this channel.

Robert Naiman (from mobile device)

On Oct 19, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "David Johnson" <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:

> Bob,
>  
> Your trying to play a losing game that the ruling class has rigged.
>  
> What I mean is, so we have Kerry instead of Hillary Clinton or Hegal instead of whoever, and Brennan instead of Petreaus.
> What differences does it make ?
> You still have the war of terror and the continued expansion and murders of the U.S. corporate empire.
>  
> Why don't you instead of tinkering around the edges of the ruling class agenda, put your full time, energy and intelligence to getting rid of ALL of these bastrads by supporting real anti-war candidates like David Green and others like him around the country ?
>  
> Don't fall for the corporate media ruling class propoganda of ; " Oh he can't win " and " he / she has more money therefore we should bet on a winner ".
> That is EXACTLEY what they want you to do.
> Instead of looking at the democratic primaries as a " horse race ", look at it as a negotiation strategy.
> That is, throw everything you have behind the primary candidate that best represents your values and fight like hell for them.
> If they don't win, then use all the support you have generated behind OUR candidate and negotiate with the primary winner.
> That is, " Maybe I will support you, but only IF you support our values and issues ".
> To hell with the " good cop / bad cop " scenario game the ruling class has been using against us for the last thirty years. With disasterous results I may add.
>  
> There comes a time when people of principles MUST stand their ground and fight.
> The corporate dems are just as much the problem as the republicans. The corporate interests donate to both so that they always win regardless of who is elected, and we continue to lose and things become worse with each passing year. 
>  
> It is long over due that we start refusing to fall for their manipulative techniques of " good cop / bad cop " and begin to DEMAND from the democratic party that they represent us AND that we recruit working class people of principle to run for public office from the local to the national.
>  
> Sincerely
>  
> David Johnson
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Naiman
> To: C. G. Estabrook
> Cc: Peace Discuss
> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 7:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pres. Obama: Tap Sen. Ron Wyden to Head the NSA
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> I think the fact that Brennan, not Petraeus, is now head of the CIA is making a difference. Fewer civilians are getting killed in U.S. drone strikes. It's been many months since TBIJ has recorded a civilian death in Pakistan from a CIA drone strike.  
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> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:32 PM, C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net> wrote:
> While the CIA has often been headed by civilians. What difference did it make?
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> On Oct 19, 2013, at 7:27 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org> wrote:
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>> Did you know that since the NSA was founded in 1952, it's never been headed by a civilian?
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>> "But Binney said he would like to see the agency's management handed over to a civilian. Since its founding in 1952, the NSA, part of the Department of Defense, has always had a military leader."
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>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/keith-alexander-nsa-whistle-blowers_n_4118294.html
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>> On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:17 PM, C. G. Estabrook <cge at shout.net> wrote:
>> Put a liberal face on the same policies. It's the Obama Way.
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>> On Oct 19, 2013, at 3:36 PM, "Robert Naiman" <noreply at list.moveon.org> wrote:
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>> > Dear C. G. Estabrook,
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>> > Gen. Keith Alexander is stepping down as head of the National Security Agency. Fresh, civilian leadership is needed at the NSA to ensure that the NSA's surveillance activities fully comply with the letter and spirit of the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all U.S. laws.
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>> > Oregon Senator Ron Wyden, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has been a consistent and vocal critic of blanket NSA surveillance of Americans that violates the basic civil liberties guarantees of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Senator Wyden is an ideal candidate to restore public confidence in NSA compliance with the Constitution, the Bill of Rights,          and all U.S. laws.
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>> > Help us sway President Obama by signing and sharing our petition:
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>> > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?mailing_id=16259&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=2656067
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>> > Here's our rap to meet two predictable objections to our campaign:
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>> > "It's not realistic." No-one's offering even odds that Ron Wyden will be the next head of the NSA. The point is to open political space by waging preemptive psychological warfare against the idea that someone is disqualified from heading the NSA if they are a          civilian who believes that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are good law that apply to the national security state. Just as our campaign for Jeff Sachs to be President of the World Bank opened political space for the idea that the President of the World Bank can be a development expert rather than a banker or a politician, so this campaign will open political space for the idea that the head of the NSA can be a civilian who believes in the rule of law.
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>> > "We need more than a new person at the top to reform the NSA." This is beyond dispute. (Also true, obviously, about the World Bank.) It should also be beyond dispute that it's easier for people to grab onto an individual who represents an idea than it is for them to grab onto a technical reform. If you advocate that Elizabeth Warren head the Fed or the SEC, everyone knows what you're talking about: cracking down on corruption in high finance. This is about bringing the national security state into transparent compliance with the rule of law.
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>> > Now that you understand our strategy, can you help us advance it by signing and sharing our petition?
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>> > http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/pres-obama-tap-sen-ron?mailing_id=16259&source=s.icn.em.cr&%3Br_by=1135580&r_by=2656067
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>> > Thanks for all you do to help force the national security state to transparently comply with the rule of law,
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>> > Robert Naiman
>> > Just Foreign Policy
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