[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 TruthConference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library

[C. G. Estabrook]

Belden--

Here's my last email to you. I fail to see the connection. Did you have something else in mind?  

--CGE

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[And I meant it to sting, as Wodehouse would say...]

Karen Hewitt
Outreach Coordinator
CGS UIUC

Ms. Hewitt:

I'm surprised that a "public forum to discuss the current crisis in Syria and the international community's response" should include speakers representing only a narrow spectrum of neoliberal and neoconservative opinion. 

There are faculty and others on campus who could present paleoconservative and left positions; students and others should hear those views as well.

Regards,

C. G. Estabrook
Visiting professor, retired
109 Observatory
217-244-4105
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On Sep 20, 2013, at 7:44 PM, "Fields, A Belden" <a-fields at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Yeh, your last  email to me Carl.
> Belden
> ________________________________________
> From: C. G. Estabrook [carl at newsfromneptune.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 6:22 PM
> To: Fields, A Belden
> Cc: David Johnson; sf-core; occupycu at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> Subject: Re: [sf-core] RE: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 TruthConference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library
> 
> What do you mean by "Carl's tactic," Belden?
> 
> Can you give me an example?
> 
> --CGE
> 
> On Sep 20, 2013, at 6:03 PM, "Fields, A Belden" <a-fields at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> I hate to say it, but the questions you pose to David at the end of your email are are off point and insulting. This is very much like Carl's tactic--i.e., when you are trying to make a point critical of something, then ask the person if they, e.g., support a war or beating their wife. If Socialist Forum or any other group to which I belong were ever to bring a racist who happened to agree with me on a subject other than racism, I would quit that organization in a flash. This is because I would have little faith in the both the analytical capacity and the commitment to humanity of such a person. While such a person certainly has the right to speak , I, or a group to which I belong, would never facilitate it. If this is what David Gehrig is questioning, then I am right by his side on this.
>> 
>> I am a democratic socialist, and it is my understanding that Socialist Forum is committed to democratic socialism.
>> I am certain that it would never facilitate the the propaganda of national socialists (i.e., Nazis or neo-Nazis), even if on certain points we might find ourselves in agreement.
>> 
>> Disappointedly yours,
>> 
>> Belden
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: David Johnson [davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 4:14 PM
>> To: Peace-discuss; occupycu at lists.chambana.net; C. G. Estabrook
>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] News Gazette article on 9/11 TruthConference, Sept. 22, Urbana Free Library
>> 
>> Good point Carl,
>> 
>> BUT, the conference on Sunday is NOT about anti-semitism, despite the
>> efforts of David Gehrig to equate the two, it is about questioning the "
>> official " Bush administration story about the 9-11-2001 attacks.
>> 
>> Mr. Fetzer's views on other subjects are irrelevant in regards to the 9-11
>> conference.
>> 
>> Even IF Mr. Gehrig is correct about Mr. Fetzer being " anti-semetic ", the
>> subject of the Holocaust and anti-semitism will NOT be the subject of the
>> conference.
>> 
>> But just to set the record straight, did you notice how quick Mr. Gehrig was
>> in trying to equate AWARE with anti-semitism, just because there was a
>> debate on the Peace Discuss list ?
>> And also, ever since I can remember Mr. Gehrig's postings to Peace Discuss,
>> NOT ONCE has he EVER posted an article or an opinion against the neo-con /
>> neo-liberal wars of corporate empire.
>> Which makes me question Mr. Gehrigs TRUE purpose and agenda for being on
>> this list.
>> 
>> So I will ask you Mr. Gehrig, do you or do you not support the past Bush
>> administration and the current Obama administration's foreign policy in
>> regards to ;
>> 1) The invasion of Afganistan
>> 2) The invasion of Iraq
>> 3) Targeted Drone assinations of U.S. citizens
>> 4) the Patriot Act, the Defense Authorization Act, and the Edward Snowden
>> affair
>> 
>> Myself and others who have spoken privately off-list would really like to
>> know.
>> 
>> David Johnson