[Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the country/world.
David Johnson
davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net
Sat Apr 26 08:27:38 EDT 2014
I am not
" raging and screaming " , I am asking you what your definition of " The Left " is ?
You stated " liberals and progressives ".
You avoided my question by stating two more ambiguous political labels.
I am trying to understand where and who this " anti-semitism on the Left " is that you initially claimed.
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: David Gehrig
To: David Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the country/world.
Once you're through raging and steaming, you might want to notice that I answered your question.
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On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:29 PM, "David Johnson" <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
Yes Mr. Gehrig !
I want to know what YOUR definition of " The LEFT " is ?
I don't care about what other people's definitions are, I want to know what YOUR definition is.
WE would like to know what YOUR definition of the " LEFT " is, so that we can seriously consider your accusation that there is " anti-semitism amongst the LEFT ".
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: David Gehrig
To: David Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the country/world.
Uh, pretty much the same as everyone else's: liberals and progressives. Is there a point you're trying to make?
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On Apr 25, 2014, at 6:35 PM, "David Johnson" <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
That is a fact Mr. Gehrig, that Stephen Francis called himself ;
"... a progressive. He described himself in a previous post to this list as "a California hippy peace activist." Doesn't sound very Reaganite to me. "
I could describe myself as the most handsome and intelligent man in the world, but that doesn't necessarily make it so. And therefore do you consider anyone who is NOT a " Reaganite " on the
" LEFT " ?
What is YOUR definition of
the " LEFT " ?
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: David Gehrig
To: David Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the country/world.
He says so himself. He describes himself as a progressive. He described himself in a previous post to this list as "a California hippy peace activist." Doesn't sound very Reaganite to me.
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On Apr 25, 2014, at 5:19 PM, "David Johnson" <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
HOW is he " clearly " LEFT " ?
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: David Gehrig
To: David Johnson
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the country/world.
I think that, antisemitism aside, he's pretty clearly left, not right. He certainly considers himself part of the left. And he bought into antisemitism and Holocaust denial because it was being presented to him in the language of the left.
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On Apr 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, "David Johnson" <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
That he ( Stephen Francis ) is on the
" LEFT ".
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: David Gehrig
To: David Johnson
Cc: Peace-discuss
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the country/world.
I'm removing Occupy from the reply list, as it's not a discussion group.
Wrapping antisemitic ideology, up to and including Holocaust denial, in the language of anti-zionism does not magically erase its antisemitism. When Steve Francis does exactly that, as he has done on these lists, then "I'm not an antisemite, only an anti-Zionist" excuse falls apart, and his being on the left, rather than the right, doesn't change that.
So which part do you dispute, that Francis is an antisemite, or that he is on the left?
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On Apr 25, 2014, at 4:25 PM, "David Johnson" <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
" even when that antisemitism is on the left and the Counterpunch crowd are too ideologically paralyzed to address it."
Define WHO and WHERE the " anti-semitism " on the " Left " is Mr. Gehrig.
David Johnson
----- Original Message -----
From: David Gehrig
To: Stephen Francis
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net ; occupycu
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Academic Freedom Conference ... speakers flying/ driving / Skypeing in from around the country/world.
The article confirms that Fetzer is unambiguously a Holocaust denier now. One of at least four appearing at your little Hate-the-Jew Hootenanny, including you.
Holocaust denial is like a venereal disease; you can trace back how you got it from Fetzer and Barrett, how Fetzer got it from Gilad Atzmon; how Atzmon got it from Israel Shamir, and how Israel Shamir got it from the Jew-conspiracy fantasies of the brownshirts.
This will be my only reply on the Occupy list, and I make it because when you first showed up here some of the more ideological folks here took your "I'm not antisemitic, just anti-zionist" at face value, despite the David Duke videos on your web site, and paradoxically attacked those like me who called your antisemitism out for what it is. By now, it oughta be clearer than clear that I wasn't "crying wolf" or "trying to change the subject." The time to discuss antisemitism is when there is antisemitism, even when that antisemitism is on the left and the Counterpunch crowd are too ideologically paralyzed to address it.
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On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Doors open at 9am, Illini Union, Room 314A, Sat. the 26th.
Here's Jim Fetzer's latest article:
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