[Peace-discuss] Draft flyer (corrected) for AWARE demo, Aug. 3

Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Mon Aug 4 06:15:09 EDT 2014


I was joking about the conspiracy....
But also thought that a couple of you would take the bait and think I was serious......(maybe  :)

I just find it very telling and consistent that 9/11 Truth has been carved out of the peace movement and vilified.  This IS a conspiracy whose roots are in NYC.

Over 2200 professional architects and engineers agree that WTC twin towers and WTC7 were demolished murdering 3000 people.   Arab patsies could not have done it the way our corrupt government describes according to the laws of physics.  They also cannot find any like professionals to debate them and their work is peer-reviewed unlike NIST.

How can you protest against our government and trust what they say about 9/11.... It doesn't make sense unless their is a hidden agenda behind the inconsistency..... You all know what I think about that.... 
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On Sunday, August 3, 2014 9:58 PM, ewjohnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
 


Stephen,
A lot of what you have to say is useful and relevant.

CGE has perhaps more than anyone defended your right to say it.

It isn't very healthy to find a daemon behind every bush.
(Some of them have several.)



On 08/04/2014 10:31 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss wrote:

Here's a conspiracy for ya...
>Channel 3 sent out a video person to record the massive crowd of 6-8 people at Church and Neil demonstration today.
>She first set up her camera at the North East corner then moved it to the Northwest corner when she discovered what my poster said.
>She deliberately set the camera up in a new position where two other protesters obscured the view of my poster....
>see attachment....
>Is this a conspiracy or what?  .... 
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>On Sunday, August 3, 2014 6:59 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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>You left out the Giant Rat of Sumatra, "a story for which the world is not yet prepared."
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>Sent from my iPhone
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>On Aug 3, 2014, at 8:45 PM, Stephen Francis <stephenf1113 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>You (CGE) have very eloquently proven my point.  Chomsky's prominence as an intellectual voice for the 99% is undeniable except for 9/11 Truth. Coming from a 9/11 Truther, this is a glaring inconsistency, because the same people we all rail against did 9/11 in our view.
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>There is an ever growing list of dubious 'Commissions' and cover-ups involving international crimes that have not passed the stink test including the Warren Commission, the Dreyfus Affair, The Gladio Stay Behind Network, Dimona, The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment, Pedophile Priests, Pearl Harbor, The Looting of Russia after the breakup of the Soviet Union, The USS Liberty, Iran Contra, the looting of Japan after WWII, Murdochs Phone Hacking, the Lincoln assassination, Holocaust Hoax, WWI and WWII war profiteering, Stalin's last years, failed Cuban invasion, the Hollywood creation called the Italian mafia, ....on and on... 9/11 has just joined the list.
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>Once it becomes common knowledge that 9/11 really was an inside job (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Britain and the U. S.) Chomsky is going to have more than egg on his face.  He will be proven an accomplice to the crime.
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>On Sunday, August 3, 2014 5:44 PM, Carl G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:
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>Chomsky was of course "a nationally recognized figure" for more than 40 years before the events of 9/11/2001.
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>As a young man he did for the study of
                                language roughly what Einstein had done
                                for physics: he established a new model
                                for the subsequent science. 
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>In the 1960's he took up writing against
                                Kennedy's war in SE Asia and quickly
                                became one of the most important
                                anti-war voices with articles like "The
                                Responsibility of Intellectuals" (1967)
                                <http://www.chomsky.info/articles/19670223.htm> and "On the Backgrounds of the Pacific War" (1967) <http://www.chomsky.info/articles/196709--.htm> - still very much worth reading. 
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>Chomsky is an anarchist (libertarian
                                socialist, if you prefer). He presents a
                                convincing case for that position in
                                "Government in the Future" (1970) <http://tangibleinfo.blogspot.com/2006/11/noam-chomsky-lecture-from-1970-full.html>.
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>His brief book "9-11" was a best seller
                                in 2001, because it didn't follow the US
                                government/media line. Here's a summary:
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>"In '9-11', published in November 2001
                                and arguably the single most influential
                                post 9-11 book, internationally renowned
                                thinker Noam Chomsky bridged the
                                information gap around the World Trade
                                Center attacks, cutting through the
                                tangle of political opportunism,
                                expedient patriotism, and general
                                conformity that choked off American
                                discourse in the months immediately
                                following. Chomsky placed the attacks in
                                context, marshaling his deep and nuanced
                                knowledge of American foreign policy to
                                trace the history of American political
                                aggression - in the Middle East and
                                throughout Latin America as well as in
                                Indonesia, in Afghanistan, in India and
                                Pakistan - at the same time warning
                                against America’s increasing reliance on
                                military rhetoric and violence in its
                                response to the attacks, and making the
                                critical point that the mainstream media
                                and public intellectuals were failing to
                                make: any escalation of violence as a
                                response to violence will inevitably
                                lead to further, and bloodier, attacks
                                on innocents in America and around the
                                world..."
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>Chomsky's politics are such that he is
                                cordially hated by soi-disant liberals
                                and progressives. In an interview in
                                2008 he said, 
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>"I should say that the place where I am
                                most feared and despised is probably in
                                left liberal intellectual circles. If
                                you want to see a graphic indication of
                                this, take a look at one of my favorite
                                journal covers, which is framed and
                                posted right outside my door. It’s the
                                more or less official journal of left
                                liberal intellectuals, The American
                                Prospect, and the cover depicts the
                                terrible circumstances in which they try
                                to survive – the enormous forces that
                                are virtually destroying them.
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>"In the picture, two figures are
                                depicted; two faces, sneering and angry.
                                On one side is Dick Cheney and the
                                Pentagon, on the other side is me. The
                                left liberal intellectuals are caught
                                between these two huge forces. This
                                depiction is indicative of the paranoia
                                and concern that there might be some
                                small break in orthodoxy. The liberal
                                intellectuals (and not just in the
                                United States) are typically the
                                guardians at the gates: we’ll go this
                                far, but not one millimeter farther; and
                                it’s terrifying to think that somebody
                                might go a millimeter farther. This
                                extends throughout the major media too.
                                So, yes, the United States is a very
                                free country, in fact it’s the freest
                                country in the world. I don’t think
                                freedom of speech, for example, is
                                protected anywhere in the world as much
                                as it is here. But it’s a very managed
                                society, it’s a business-run society,
                                carefully managed, with strict doctrinal
                                requirements and no deviation tolerated
                                – this would be too dangerous.
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>"One of the reasons it’s too dangerous
                                is that the political establishment,
                                both political parties and the political
                                class, is, on many major issues, well to
                                the right of the population. On health
                                care, for example, which you’ve written
                                about for decades, the population is to
                                the left of the establishment, and has
                                been so forever. And the same is true
                                for many other issues. So, permitting
                                issues to be discussed is threatening,
                                and permitting deviation from a kind of
                                party line is dangerous and has to be
                                carefully controlled."
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>--CGE
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>On Aug 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Stephen
                                  Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> I accuse CGE of gatekeeping
                                  because of his incessant quoting of
                                  Chomsky.  
>> I think Chomsky is in part a
                                  nationally recognized figure because
                                  of his views on 9/11 Truth. 
>> In efforts to control the
                                  opposition he plays a perfect role.
>> He is a prolific author and the
                                  vast majority of his positions are
                                  acceptable to 'liberals',
                                  progressives'....etc  (whatever they
                                  are?)
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>> Zionists are very fearful of 9/11
                                  Truth because it really threatens
                                  them, so they have to ridicule and
                                  keep people distracted from it.
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>> Chomsky keeps people talking and
                                  not acting.
>> 9/11 Truth is about acting.  It's
                                  about prosecuting criminals not
                                  jawboning policy. CGE is a
                                  jawboner.....
>> NYC CAN's effort was successful
                                  and they are in a strong position to
                                  challenge any legal obstacles in their
                                  path.
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>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014 8:43
                                  AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:
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>> Stephen,
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>> Good article about Bolivia and
                                  other South American countries pulling
                                  their ambassadors from Israel,
>> 
>> However, the other article is
                                  absolute nonsense. There are no "
                                  left-wing " U.S. Congressmen and
                                  Senators.
>> Only corporate controlled
                                  neo-cons and neo-liberals.
>> The ONLY elected official in the
                                  entire U.S. that I am aware of who is
>>  " Left-wing " would be Socialist
                                  City Council member Kshama Sawant in
                                  Seattle.
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>> And your continued accusations of
                                  Carl as a " Zionist Gatekeeper " is
                                  absurd and borders on the delusional.
>> 
>> David Johnson
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