[Peace-discuss] Fwd: Re: [OccupyCU] ISIS trained by US reports Examiner, PressTV, Reuters, Der Spiegel
David Johnson via Peace-discuss
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Sat Jul 12 15:57:07 EDT 2014
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] ISIS trained by US reports
Examiner, PressTV, Reuters, Der Spiegel
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:03:30 -0500
From: David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>
To: Roger Helbig <rwhelbig at gmail.com>
You are the one who has consistently ignored facts when they have been
presented to you.
David J.
On 7/12/2014 4:44 AM, Roger Helbig wrote:
> rather doubt that you would recognize a fact if you fell over it - and
> I am sure that you have never said this directly to former President
> Carter - I expect that Saudis helped fund pushing the Soviets out of
> Afghanistan. Far as US training ISIS, I rather think that is
> preposterous since the forerunners of ISIS fought as foreign fighters
> in Iraq - they may have practiced their art of killing against the US,
> but were not trained by them. They clearly were in Fallujah since
> Marines encountered fortified positions similar to those used in
> Chechnya and the ISIS commander is Chechen. What I do not quite
> understand is why Putin has not put him out of his misery since he now
> threatens the entire world.
> Roger
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 6:45 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
> Stan,
>
> What Carl has stated are historical facts.
>
> I liked Jimmy Carter his first two years, but then he started to
> listen to assholes like Kissinger and Brezinski. His last two
> years were also the beghining of de-regulation of the Trucking and
> Airline industry, as well giving sanctuary to the Shah of Iran
> which was the catalyst for the u.S. Embassy hostage crisis. During
> this same period as Carl documents, the Carter administration
> began to destabalize the progressive left-wing government of
> Afganistan, by organizing, training and financing some of the most
> extreme Islamic religious fanatics to attack ; schools, hospitals
> and agricultural extension offices, which eventually destabalized
> the government and led to the Afganistan government to ask the
> USSR for assistance and the religious fanatics eventually became
> Al Queda (sp. ).
> The rest is history.
>
> The point here Stan, is that we the people have lost control of
> OUR government. You can't blame all the bullshit that has happened
> in the last 30 some years on the republicans. The democrats have
> also done their fair share of damage. Both the Dems and the
> republicans are financed by corporate special interests. Often
> times the SAME corporate special interests.
>
> David Johnson
>
>
>
> On 7/10/2014 8:15 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss wrote:
>> You guys are so wrong the light from wrong can not reach you.
>>
>> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/
>>
>>
>> "C. G. Estabrook via OccupyCU" <occupycu at lists.chambana.net>
>> <mailto:occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> This is consistent US policy, for at least 40 years, Democrat as
>> well as Republican.
>>
>> The Carter administration (1977-81) invented modern jihadism by
>> rounding up the most fanatical fighters it could find in the
>> Mideast, arming them in the most expensive CIA operation to date,
>> and sending them into Afghanistan (*before* the Russian invasion)
>> "to give the Soviets a Vietnam of their own"!
>>
>> Carter's Russophobe National Security Advisor, Zbigniew
>> Brzezinski (also an adviser to Obama's presidential campaign),
>> famously told an interviewer from Le Nouvel Observateur in 1998,
>> "What is most important to the history of the world? ... Some
>> stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the
>> end of the cold war?"
>>
>> The "few stirred-up Muslims" came to include al-Qaeda and the
>> perpetrators of the 9/11/2001 attacks.
>>
>> Divide et impera, the Roman imperial maxim, has guided US
>> attempts to promote conflict and play both sides against the
>> middle in order to secure control of the Mideast energy
>> resources, "the world's greatest material prize," as the US State
>> Department declared in 1945.
>>
>> In this century that has meant a purposeful US policy of setting
>> Sunni against Shia in a vicious regional civil war, which had not
>> existed before the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.
>>
>> --CGE
>>
>>
>> On Jul 10, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss
>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> > (and mostly funded by Saudi Arabia, Israel)
>> > Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Reports: U.S. trained ISIS fighters in Jordan
>> > Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND
>> reported Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and
>> the Levant, or ISIS, were trained b...
>> > View on www.examiner.com <http://www.examiner.com>
>> > Preview by Yahoo
>> >
>> > Citing what it called "informed Jordanian officials," WND
>> reported Tuesday that members of the Islamic State of Iraq and
>> the Levant, or ISIS, were trained by U.S. instructors at a secret
>> base inJordan. According to the report, the training was
>> conducted in 2012 and was intended to help ISIS fight the Assad
>> regime.
>> > The officials said those receiving training were vetted for
>> links to extremist groups like al-Qaeda.
>> > WND first reported the training in February 2012. Since then,
>> other media outlets have corroborated those reports. In March
>> 2013, Reuters, citing Der Spiegel, said that some 200 men had
>> received training. The goal was to train about 1,200 fighters of
>> the "Free Syrian Army."
>> > Those reports did not specify if the instructors were military
>> or civilian, but some reportedly wore uniforms. The training,
>> Reuters added, focused on the use of anti-tank weaponry. It is
>> also unclear how many of those trained are now fighting in Iraq.
>> > According to Reuters, the UK Guardian also reported the
>> training, adding that British and French instructors participated
>> in the U.S.-led effort. The Guardian, Reuters said, cited unnamed
>> Jordanian security sources, who were also reportedly involved in
>> the program, hoping to "prevent Salafists (radical Islamists)
>> crossing from their own country into Syria and then returning
>> later to stir up trouble in Jordan itself."
>> > A Defense Department spokesman declined to comment on Der
>> Spiegel's report, Reuters added. France and Britain have also
>> refused to comment on the report.
>> > WND said Jordanian officials spoke to them out of concerns the
>> sectarian violence in Iraq could spill over into Jordan.
>> > "ISIS previously posted a video on YouTube threatening to move
>> on Jordan and "slaughter" King Abdullah, whom they view as an
>> enemy of Islam," Aaron Klein said.
>> > A Shiite source in contact with a highly-placed official in the
>> government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki reportedly
>> called Obama an "accomplice" in the attacks against the Maliki
>> government and told WND that one training camp is in the vicinity
>> of Incirlik Air Base near Adana, Turkey, where U.S. military
>> personnel are stationed.
>> > Another report says the Obama administration delivered about
>> 65,000 ready-to-eat meals, or MREs, to Sunni rebels in Aleppo,
>> Syria. Additionally, the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday
>> that Obama has ruled out immediate air strikes against ISIS in
>> Iraq. The reason, WSJ said, is lack of intelligence on the ground
>> in Iraq.
>> > Obama is set to meet with GOP and Democratic leaders Wednesday
>> to brief them on what is being called a "comprehensive approach"
>> to the situation in Iraq.
>> > "What the president is focused on is a comprehensive strategy,
>> not just a quick military response," said one senior
>> administration official. "While there may potentially be a
>> military component to it, it's a much broader effort."
>> > Meanwhile, ISIS is reportedly battling Iraqi military forces on
>> the outskirts of Baghdad.
>> >
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