[Peace-discuss] [Peace] FW: The Southern Poverty Law Center on the Holocaust "Revisionist" movement
Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Sat Jul 26 18:45:07 EDT 2014
David,
I can't help just being a product of my research....
(By the way you didn't address my statement equating Aryan (neoNazi) and Jewish supremacism....at a basic level.) I'm interested in yours or anyone else's opinion on this.
Anyway,
I've been researching 9/11 Truth for twelve years (I launched NFU in 2002) and have thousands of pieces of documented evidence that it was not the 19 hijackers, but a cabal of US, British, Israeli and Saudi terrorists (if I can use that over-used word) that attacked NYC+ and started two illegal wars.
It is the second biggest lie of the last 200 years....other than the Cold War hoax maybe... that has led us into the near police state we exist in.
It is a highly effective litmus test for me to distinguish between real peace activists and 'gate keepers' or uninformed people.
Every piece of history can be connected to it precisely because of its scope spanning those four mentioned countries and their Zionist Neocon actors. (and the fraudulent creation of Israel)
I fully understand the difference between antiZionism and antiSemitism (whatever that is).
But I've studied too much Jewish history and all the expulsions, deceit and hatred of them based on their actions (not race, there is no such thing as a Jewish race).
It seems now that the 'self-hating' Jews are the only ones that I really respect.
What Zionists are doing in Gaza is completely consistent with the history I've studied.... and just reinforces my beliefs.
It is fascinating to me that we all look at the same information and conjure up amazingly different conclusions. Those different conclusions can only be based on those facts and then a myriad of personal socialization factors that put us all individually in a intellectual rut.
I'm stuck there and know no way out other than uncovering new scientific evidence not tainted by politics that might change them.
Your remarks are helpful but don't jolt me enough to change much.
Steve
On Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:58 PM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
Stephen,
There is a HUGE difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism
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Your not sifting out and filtering the turds from the gems, so to
speak.
By posting and hence believing neo-nazi propaganda, you are
discrediting your accurate posts about zionism, As well as
legitimate questions about the 9-11 attacks, and the Kennedy
asasination.
As Working class people, we must keep focused on the ENTIRE
capitalist class, NOT just focus on an ethnic sub-set of the
global capitalists, who long ago adopted a " United Colors of
Bennighton " approach to having a few people of all ethnicities as
a token part / public showcase of the 1% capitalist ruling class
Because in doing so, you are letting the ; christian, muslim,
hindu, etc. capitalists off the hook, and not talking about
right-wing christian zionists
And your accusations against Carl Estrabrook as a " Zionist
Gatekeeper ", when that is absurd when you look at Carl's
commentary and actions over the years and decades, against the
racist zionist govt. of Israel, and the horrible foreign policy of
our U.S. Govt..
All because you disagree with his tactics, and then just jumnping
to the conclusion that Carl's motives are in question, and that he
must therefore be " the enemy ".
In essence Stephen, Many of your historical and information
sources are flawed, and hence adversley effecting your analysis
and actions.
You have good information time and again, but unfortunately by not
being more of a critical thinker, you discredit yourself and the
good and accurate info you do post occasionally.
David Johnson
On 7/26/2014 2:10 PM, Fields, A Belden via Peace-discuss wrote:
>My comment to you had nothing to do with Israel. I was at the protest yesterday over the slaughter in Gaza and have been very critical of Israel's behavior vis-a-vis the Palestinians. But I was writing about your neo-Nazism, not Israel and the Palestinians.
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>From: Stephen Francis [stephenf1113 at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:04 PM
>To: Fields, A Belden
>Cc: peace-discuss at anti-war.net
>Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] FW: The Southern Poverty Law Center on the Holocaust "Revisionist" movement
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>Sir,
>You are obviously a product of Israel's system of brainwashing its people that has been going on for decades.
>See An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel for just for starters.
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>An honest Israeli Jew tells the Real Truth about Israel
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>On Saturday, July 26, 2014 11:50 AM, "Fields, A Belden" <a-fields at illinois.edu> wrote:
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>I do not wish to debate you. I want only to
point out that what you have written about
Hitler and Jewish bankers in other of your
rantings, plus your Holocaust "revisionism"
would be taken by any reasonable person as
the expression of a neo-Nazi. You may not
get this. But, I repeat, any "reasonable"
person would understand it as such.
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>From: Peace [peace-bounces at lists.chambana.net] on behalf of Stephen Francis via Peace [peace at lists.chambana.net]
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>To: Karen Aram; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; peace at lists.chambana.net
>Subject: Re: [Peace] [Peace-discuss] FW: The Southern Poverty Law Center on the Holocaust "Revisionist" movement
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>Attacks on Holocaust revisionists never address scientific facts. They are always either intimidation, epithet or attempts at negative association.
>Mr. Gehrig never disputes the facts that I put forward and will never debate the issues based on a scientific analysis. He just insults me and tries to associate me with neoNazis, of which I've said many times I'm not.
>Sure, there are neoNazis that are Holocaust revisionists but you don't have to be a neoNazi to be a revisionist.
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>NeoNazis obviously do not support the Palestinian peoples struggle against ideological supremacists such as the Chabad Lubavitchers and others like them (see below).
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>It has become politically incorrect to espouse Jewish supremacism, but history and a little research tells a different story.
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>Nahida Izzat Salem-News.com
>The Anti-Defamation League condemns as "antisemitic" any writings about “Jewish Supremacism” and labels any person who utters the words as “anti-Semite”.
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>(LONDON) - The term White Supremacism defines the likes of KKK, of racists, neo-nazis etc, and projects a notion of wickedness and evil.
>Wherever suitable, the term is used freely and without hesitation, generally by the Left, including the anti-Zionist Jewish Left. No one thinks twice before accurately using the term to portray anyone who claims that so called "White" people are superior to "people of colour".
>In some instances, the term is used in association with those who express concerns that the cultural identity of their society might be threatened by immigration. In other instances, the term "White supremacist" is used against historians and researchers who raise uncomfortable questions about official historical narratives enforced by the establishment.
>The Ku Klux Klan has been described as a Christian, as well as a white, supremacist group. So are many white supremacist groups in the United States today. George W. Bush’s support for fundamentalist Christianity has been linked to his having a “Christian supremacist vision” in his policies in the Middle East.
>The racist delusion of “White supremacy”, is a reality involving generally unsavory individuals, overall a small fringe groups of white people. The term does NOT imply that all, or that most whites are supremacists.
>The use of the term "White supremacists" in relation with precisely such people, is perfectly legitimate and legal, anyone can utter it when suitable without having to fear censorship, slander or smear. It seems pretty elementary that whomever uses the term to define people holding such "white supremacist" opinions, does by no means imply to be anti-whites or white-hater.
>Under no circumstances would be Non-white people forbidden to criticise or discuss the problem of White-supremacism.
>I never came across of a non-racist white person who would claim that the issue of "white-supremacy" is a “White-Only” issue, implying that only white people have the right to discuss, to examine or to expose “White-Supremacists". In fact the contrary is true, all non-racists are always encouraged to publicly discuss, oppose, and demonstrate against “White Supremacy”, even within the main stream media.
>The parallel between "White-Supremacy" and "Jewish Supremacy" is inevitable, both holding the same antiquated tenet of superiority of one ethnic and/or religious group over another, irrespective of the moral depravity of these claims and that science having debunked such racist proclamations as being pure bogus nonsense.
>However, comparing the two reveals something that should be evident to anyone interested in humanity, society, progress, ethics, news, politics and affairs of state.
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>Indeed, proportionally to their respective demography, "White supremacy" is an extremely fringe phenomenon, generally relegated to some remote muddy training camps in rural America, where alcoholism is more awash than any form of political influence. The KKKs and otherwise White Supremacists are shunned and loathed publicly, and are at the outer margin layer of society. They are in fact so rare, that they are almost museum ripe.
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>“Jewish Supremacy” however, exists on a much wider and deadlier scale. Firstly "Jewish supremacism" in its different shades, covering a whole spectrum of intensity and visibility, represents a huge segment of the Jewish demography. Secondly, these "Jewish supremacists" have irrefutably a considerable political influence, and arguably they shape governmental policies.
>Yet, the Anti-Defamation League condemns as "antisemitic" any writings about “Jewish Supremacism” and labels any person who utters the words as “anti-Semite”.
>They even crown as "anti-Semite" whomever dares to demand the truth and asks for an independent investigation to uncover the real story of 9/11.
>When someone uses the term “Jewish Supremacy” referring ONLY to SOME Jewish groups and individuals who are extremely racist against non-Jews, the truth-tellers are accused of anti-Semitism. Perplexedly, the accusations come even from the non-racist liberal Jews, who then insist to pretend that the truth-teller is attacking ALL Jews.
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>Free-thinking, Non-Jews are
gagged; they are forbidden to
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ominous social threat "Jewish
supremacism" represents. The
pretext invoked for this blackout
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Jewish problem, and outsiders
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>Well, as one who endears such values as Free-Thinking, Democracy, Science, Equality, and the Right to Freedom of Expression, excuse my rage and pardon my language, but I have to say: HELL NO !
>I and all of us non-Jews have every right in the world to write about, to expose and to challenge any supremacism, but especially Jewish supremacism as it thrives amongst some Jewish people and some very influential Jewish groups.
>Legally and morally, I have every right to do so because I am personally affected by it,
>My own life is negatively affected by it,
>My family and my people are negatively affected by it,
>And the whole Arab and Muslim world is tragically affected by it.
>Hundreds of millions of humans are tragically affected by the wars and hatred fomented by Jewish supremacists in this gradually more violent twenty fist century.
>When our very existence is threatened and when the sanctity of life itself is rescinded because we are seen by some Jewish people as Goyims, “creatures” of lesser value compared to Jewish lives, I have every right to scream my head off to expose this sociopathic… “Jewish supremacists”.
>When our land and property are stolen from us at gun point by Jewish people who claim entitlement to others’ property because they say God favours them and gave it to them, I have every right to pound the words … “Jewish supremacists”.
>When we are treated like animals by those who according to their Talmudic- kabbalistic books see us as two-legged animals created only to serve the Jews, I have every right to shout out loud… “Jewish supremacists”.
>When our children are hunted down like fish in a barrel, because our children only have "animal souls”, unlike Jewish children who were given “divine souls”, I have every right to cry… “Jewish supremacists”.
>I will not be silenced, and will shout what the world dares not to say its name:
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>I will shout "Jewish Supremacists" until the world hears my cry.
>Therefore, I call upon Jewish people who are sincerely concerned about anti-Semitism, to seriously inspect and to act against their brethren' anti-gentile-ism and anti-humanism, which to my horror I have discovered in their most authentic and revered books; in the documented Talmud, in the Jewish Law (Halacha), in the public statements of many rabbis and their pseudo-secular political allies, in the actions of Jewish-settlers in Palestine, and even in the writing of one of the most reputable Jewish philosophers Moses Ben Maimon. also known as Maimonides.
>"Maimonides's Mishneh Torah is considered by traditionalist Jews even today as one of the chief authoritative codifications of Jewish law and ethics". source
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>Moses Ben Maimon (Maimonides) talks about the right of the Jewish king to " wage a milchemet hareshut, (war of aggression) i.e. a war fought with other nations in order to expand the borders of Israel or magnify its greatness and reputation".
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>"The subjugation they must accept consists of being on a lower level, scorned and humble. They must never raise their heads against Israel, but must remain subjugated under their rule. They may never be appointed over a Jew in any matter whatsoever"
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>Nor does this "chief authoritative codifications of Jewish law and ethics" see any ethical predicament with "Jewish wars" of extermination and annihilation.
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>When I first came across the ugly ideology that festers amongst the Jewish supremacists group Chabad Lubavitch, I assumed that it was only a worm in the can.
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>When I started digging deeper, I was horrified to discover that it wasn't just a worm in the can, it was an enormous CAN of WORMS.
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>It goes further than a statement by a "lunatic" rabbi, or a "bizarre" book by a settler extremists, or some violent behaviour of fringe fanatical group.
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>I came to discover racism and supremacy with unparalleled proportions which not only thrives amongst the very vibrant, powerful and extremely influential Jewish group Chabad Lubavitch, but also extends within some mainstream Jewish philosophy, literature and sacred books.
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>To my horror and dismay I discovered that such condescending ideology has its roots in the “sacred” books of Talmud, Halacha and Tanya, all of which explicitly divides people into two categories: Jews (refined ethical humans with divine souls) and non-Jews (corrupt sub-humans with animal souls). TheTanya explicitly declares that unlike the Jewish souls, "The souls of the nations of the world, however, emanate from the other,unclean kelipot which contain no good whatever"
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>"Jewish supremacy” exists and it is not mere “Zionist supremacy”, it is much older, more fanatical, more sinister and more dangerous than Zionism, it goes further and deeper than Jewish nationalism or Jewish imperialism. It has its roots deep in the very ideology, laws and practice by many Hasidim who interpret the word "Chosen" to mean far more than message-carriers with their living-example, and instead understand it to mean: Jewish people (materialized by "Israel") have the divine right to lead and dominate. Should it be called Political Judaism, the deluge of corroborating evidence would be overwhelming.
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>Anyone who even superficially scrutinizes Zionists and its crypto-Zionist variety as they support directly or indirectly the Jewish-Zionist colonization of Palestine, can easily distinguish the ideological cross pollination between Talmudists and the so called "secular" Zionists with all their networks of support and influence.
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>In the face of these disturbing facts and distressing reality concerned and progressive Jewish friends should ask themselves some very painful and daring questions: could it possibly be that after all, the whole world might not be so twisted, so irrational, so insane, so full of nonsensical "intrinsic" hatred, and what appears to be waves of inexplicable eruptions of "anti-Semitism" might have something to do with such blatant anti-non-Jewish racism? Might these eruptions have some comprehensible and rational explanations that are linked to Talmudic supremacy and its condescending view of the other, non-Jew? Could it perhaps be that these erratic but recurrent eruption were/ are reactions to what people perceive as anti-Gentile racism; the patronizing and exploitation of that which is of "lesser value", the "other", the "Goy"?
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>Rather than continuing to deny or obscure the facts by labelling those who expose the facts as anti-Semites, sincere Jews should stop blaming the victims for uncovering these facts, and take a more honest and courageous look within their books and their community, shedding off the state of denial, facing the truth and exposing the horror that, very unfortunately, has found fertile-ground amongst their people.
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>No, to discuss and to argue openly and honestly against this sociopathic villainy that is Jewish supremacism, does not equate by any shape or manner to uttering one of these primitive blanket accusation that "Jews are evil by nature" or "all Jews believe such insanity", or other such nonsense, far from it. What it really is, is unequivocal condemnation of a racist and supremacist ideology that has deceived SOME Jewish people and set them apart from the rest of humanity. An ideology that had caused them and continues to cause them to be willingly segregated and ghettoized, being as it may physically, emotionally, mentally or even spiritually.
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>To discuss and to argue honestly and openly about this abominable ideology, is in many ways a statement of trust and hope, that the doors of change and transformation are always open, amending and overcoming burdens of racist philosophies are always possible, and that can be through the extirpation of that archaic monster that has invaded them and deceived them. In fact, to put this subject on the table is a firm statement against racism, hence against anti-Semitism! I hope that Jewish people, at least those amidst them who are not yet polluted by this nefarious supremacist nonsense, will be able ultimately to reconcile themselves with the message of the Prophets, and the message of Humanism, and thus join mankind again, coming back from their exclusionary tribalism.
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>Unfortunately, overcome by emotions, many liberal Jews perceive this exposure of such ideological predicaments and the genuine desire to address in order to get rid of and overcome, they see it as personal attack on them and on Jewish people as a whole. This entangled emotions forms a blind spot which makes it hard for them to see that which is ugly, and consequently creating intellectual blockage; they react by closing up their thinking faculty, stiffening their minds, taking a strange position of denial and defensiveness that resembles only the reaction of Zionists when confronted with their crimes.
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>Undoubtedly, obscuring the problem and deflecting people away from it does not make it go away. To the contrary.
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>With all my heart, I do acknowledge the shock and empathize with the heartrending agonizing pain that comes with such blunt revelation and unfamiliar frankness. I also do understand the psychological limitations that may alter and fog the perception of reality when the reality is too painful to face, however, I long to see my good Jewish friends having the moral courage to look eye to eye through the blind-spot of their fears and apprehensions. I long to see them face up to and address the alarming and damaging problem that lurks beneath the surface, away from their anti-racist radar.
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>My writings are intended as wake up calls to open the eyes of those concerned to the utterly devastating reality which if not dealt within time, would only cause catastrophic ramification upon all Jewish people. Not because I say so, but because this is the nature of human-societies, human psychology and human behaviour.
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>NO ONE likes to be viewed as inferior or treated as a lesser-being. period.
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>Ultimately no one will be able to control such mass movements of bloodthirsty hatred, and foremost what is called "blow-back" might well, as it has happened in the past, hit people who happen to be Jewish, on an equally massive scale. It is our duty, whatever our ethnic, cultural, social, religious or national background, to act with great determination against the sectarian drift that Jewish supremacists have been taking, splitting apart general human and social cohesion, and excluding themselves away from, setting themselves apart and above Humanity to bring upon some sinister and archaic, domination, or the illusion thereof.
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>It appears to me that authentic Judaism, as taught by the prophets has been long hijacked, hardly anything is left of its original teachings. What we have now is an infestation of extreme ideology propagated by some wicked, cruel, violent, arrogant, regressive self-worshiping supremacists. The world is slowly, very modestly still, discovering this reality, and maybe we will all suffer the consequences of the delay and denial, before this battered world takes an honourable stance against it.
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>That day is no doubt coming, and coming soon insha'Allah
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>With all love and affection to my brothers and sisters in humanity, with all the tenderness and care for the welfare of all human beings and life as whole, and with all the honesty and sincerity in my heart, I am writing to inform and to point out DANGER. I foresee many warning signs, and my hope is that Jewish people of good will would not shy away anymore, and would take notice of this inherently catastrophic problem (to both Jewish and non-Jewish alike), discuss it, address it, and try to find ways to combat it and deal with it.
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>To get rid of anti-Semitism once and for all, all what is needed is that Jewish people of good will to pull their sleeves up and to start digging, knocking down false gods, weeding supremacist ideologies that has found a haven amongst some of their people. If they insist to speak in the name of their "Jewish values" they need to reclaim the prophetic and authentic Judaism and "Jewish values" back from the Talmudists who had disfigured it and turned it into an ugly destructive killing machine.
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>They also need to come to the realization also that they can't have it both way: insisting on attributing the words "Jew"/ "Jewish" to describe someone/ something good, yet getting infuriated when the words are affiliated with someone/ something bad.
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>In other words, those interested in "saving" the Jewish people, should start their rescue operation by waging a campaign for the "spiritual rescue" of Judaism and its followers. By acknowledging the spiritual downfall, identifying where did it all go wrong, then "spiritual rescue" might be followed by physical rescue once and for all, thus, overcoming the age-long gentile-phobia, the persecution complex, and the distinction mania.
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>A meaningful and lasting change requires an individual courageous inner journey to be undertaken by everyone who desires real rescue, an inner Jihad if you will.
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>As for the entity called "Israel", all observers notice that the tide has changed; the "fortune" that accompanied this Frankenstein is fading by the minute. The reasons as to why this entity is beginning to lose its grip and WILL ultimately vanquish and arrive to total disintegration and decay in spite of all its weaponry, armies, wealth, arrogance, aggression and disregard of human rights and International Law, is as natural and organic as the principles of life itself.
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>"Israel" is an artificial creation, a myth that came into being through using other myths as pretexts;
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>Such skewed perception of reality cannot survive the test of time, the inevitable will happen and sooner or later reality will hit them in the face.
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>Collectively, this entity with such grandiose image of itself, has become a force of destruction, it carries within its womb the seeds of its own demise.
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>Their very own chief Rabbi of "Israel", Ysrael Meir Lau calls the whole world a battleground!
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>"The battlefield is not just in Gaza strip, the battlefield is everywhere where a Jew exists. The battlefield for our survival, for our eternity is over the seas, in North, South, West and East, wherever are Jews and the Jewish community exists"
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>The central battleground happens to be the Land we dare to call Holy.
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>The Palestinian People happen to be at the forefront of this decisive battle for the survival of humanity and its most cherished and refined values.
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>The battle is no doubt a spiritual one as well as it is physical.
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>Our beautiful world and the good people in it are under unprecedented assault; they have been savagely attacked, their lives have been attacked, their livelihood, their values, their homes, their freedoms, their very security, and their intelligence.
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>Our whole beloved planet simply has been exploited and vandalized almost beyond recognition.
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>People of good will, those who LOVE the world and desire more than anything to foster and protect LIFE, have no option but to come together and attend the world, everyone according to their ability and aptitude.
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>Recently, a very dear friend of mine was outraged to learn about 9/11 cover-up crimes, "Do you think anyone will ever be held to account for this obscenity?" she asked.
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>"Many people of all background are pushing hard for this because the evidence of crime cover up is so overwhelming and the lies are so blatant that it feels like a slap on the face of every human being with a one brain cell.
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>The case against the perpetrators is so powerful and the evidence so overwhelming that if it were go to court right now, the case would be won IF, and only IF, there was still a functional Judicial System.
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>But my fear and expectation are a little grim unfortunately, I think it's too late for that, my fear dearest is that even the judicial system has been hijacked by the same criminals who have an agenda of creating a Talmudic NWO through mass extermination and who would stop at nothing to implement it.
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the credentials and track record
to be trusted. He made public
the "Pentagon Papers" which
basically toppled a US
presidency and shook the US at
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>By now, I guess it is quite obvious who took over the Defense and Security Departments, as well as Foreign Policy.
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>Furthermore, what disturbs me even more is those who are NOT part of the evil network, yet they hysterically deny its existence and they deny the evil agenda of their people while they adamantly refuse to look at the hard evidence
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>Having said that, I am confident that mankind will be provided with the necessary resolve, courage and creativity to rid it self of those who strive to enslave, divide and destroy.
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>Exclusion and superiority by their very nature are mechanisms of elimination and destruction, including self-elimination and destruction.
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>Sustainable human societies functions in ways that these supremacists have no understanding, control or mastery of. Systems of Justice will inevitably re-emerge on the ruins of rotten old ones. With the hard work, dedication, steadfastness, energy, sacrifice and love of those who are sincere, undoubtedly, a more just system will organically rise from the ashes to replace that which has caused the world so much pain and agony.
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>The same system we see all around us in this fabulous mysterious universe of ours, dancing between utter mayhem and chaos to supreme balance and harmonious order, and between utter annihilation to new creation.
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>It's the very same marvellous Cycle of Life, that irresistibly strives towards perfection; towards the Most Sublime, Most Gracious, Most High."
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>On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:51 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>None of the below
which may or may not
be true, disputes the
fact that the
information you have
disseminated in
relation to the
"Jewish conspiracy",
is deeply routed in
the Nazi party.
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million Indonesians
were slaughtered by
the military as a
result of the US
concern over communism
and the activists
rising up against a
government that
severely oppressed and
impoverished the
people. The military
and leaders at the
time were trained by
the US, and a list was
given to them by the
US Ambassador and the
CIA, telling them
these people were
communists.
>This was accomplished
by the people being
told for years that
the Chinese within the
Indonesian communities
were communists, and
even though it wasn't
really believed, given
the Chinese were often
the bankers, and
financiers,
professionals, etc. it
was easy to vilify
them. Groups of thugs
then went on rampages
throughout the nation.
>Some Chinese merchants
were again murdered in
1998, I don't have the
figures but again they
were made the
scapegoats for the
recession.
>
>There is documented
evidence, declassified
government documents,
to support the above.
I have suggested you
read "Legacy of Ashes"
one of the books
containing information
related.
>
>When you allow
yourself to be
manipulated by those
with a self
serving agenda, by
fomenting anger and
hatred towards a
specific group of
people, you not only
prevent the true
perpetrators to escape
justice, but you are
contributing to
potentially dangerous
harm to many.
>
>End of conversation on
this topic
>
>Karen Aram
>
>
>
>________________________________
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 14:56:00 -0700
>To: karenaram at hotmail.com; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; peace at lists.chambana.net
>Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] FW:
The Southern Poverty
Law Center on the
Holocaust
"Revisionist"
movement
>From: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
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>Karen,
>I was duped for a long time into thinking the SPLC was a wonderful, concerned organization that looked out for the oppressed:
>Read this below....all unimpeachable ....
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>http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/articles/20111227
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>The SPLC is a 501c3 tax-exempt non-profit corporation headquartered in Montgomery, Alabama in a building dubbed by the locals the "Poverty Palace." SPLC's co-founder, Morris Dees, lives a life of luxury in a palatial home worthy of any of the myriad of Christian evangelical mega-church hucksters who also use their tax-exempt status to shake donations out of willing, as well as unsuspecting, dupes. And, with only a few days before the end of the tax year, the SPLC is looking to rake in donations from those who can write off their gifts on their own taxes.
>
>The
"anti-hate"
industry
appears to be
lucrative. The
SPLC's
Internal
Revenue
Service (IRS)
Form 990 tax
return for
2009 shows
that Dees, the
SPLC's chief
trial attorney
(a
professional
name for an
ambulance
chasing
lawyer),
pocketed a
handsome
$350,000
annual salary
and the
group's
President,
Richard Cohen,
raked in just
a tad bit
less,
$345,000. The
SPLC's board
chairman,
Howard
Mandell, is a
former
Montgomery
personal
injuries
attorney
(another title
for an
ambulance
chaser), who
decided to
become a rabbi
for a Virginia
Beach
synagogue.
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>The SPLC cut
its teeth by
suing the Ku
Klux Klan and
Aryan Nation
and winning
big dollar
judgements.
Never mind the
fact that the
Klan and the
Aryan Nation
and
Brotherhood
have
historically
been so
infiltrated by
FBI informants
they began to
turn one
another in.
Nevertheless,
the Klan and
the Aryan boys
helped make
the SPLC a
wealthy
non-profit,
wealthy enough
to have an
offshore
investment
account in the
Cayman
Islands.
>
>The SPLC
appears to
have little to
do with
"Southern
Poverty," as
the opulent
salaries and
life styles of
its principals
suggest. In
addition to
his six figure
salary and his
travel by
private
charter plane,
Dees and his
associates
have access to
a nice little
"Endowment
Fund," valued
at $216.2 million in 2010.
>
>Although the
SPLC uses its
tax free
non-profit
status to bash
right-wing and
libertarian
groups and
shill for
Barack Obama
and his
administration,
itself an
apparent
violation of
IRS laws
against
non-profits
engaging in
political
activities, it
has earned the
enmity of
journalists on
the left.
CounterPunch's
Alexander
Cockburn wrote
the following
about Dees in
a May 15, 2009, article titled "King of the hate Business."
>
>"As of October 2008 the net assets of the SPLC were $170,240,129, The merchant of hate himself, Mr. Dees, was paid an annual $273,132 as chief trial counsel, and the SPLC’s president and CEO, Richard Cohen, $290,193. Total revenue in 2007 was $44,727,257 and program expenses $20,804,536. In other words, the Southern Poverty Law Center was raising twice as much as it was spending on its proclaimed mission. Fund-raising and administrative expenses accounted for $9 million, leaving $14 million to be put in the center’s vast asset portfolio."
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>Cockburn pointed out that Dees and his cronies are doing quite well as compared to other civil rights fighters like Stephen Bright of the Southern Center for Human Rights who earned a mere $11,000 as president and senior counsel of his group, which defends minorities against racially-based criminal prosecutions and opposes the death penalty.
>
>My old chum Ken Silverstein also took on Dees's money-grubbing tactics in 2000 in a ground-breaking Harper's article:
>
>"Today, the
SPLC spends
most of its
time–and
money–on a
relentless
fund-raising
campaign,
peddling
memberships in
the church of
tolerance with
all the zeal
of a circuit
rider passing
the collection
plate. 'He’s
the Jim and
Tammy Faye
Bakker of the
civil rights
movement,'
renowned
anti-death-penalty
lawyer Millard
Farmer says of
Dees, his
former
associate,
'though I
don't mean to
malign Jim and
Tammy Faye.'"
>
>Silverstein followed up in a March 22, 2010 Harper's piece, titled "'Hate,' Immigration, and the Southern Poverty Law Center" by writing:
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>"[The SPLC's] treasury is now up to $175 million or so, bigger than the GNP of some of the world’s smaller nations."
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>Before he was found dead of an apparent heart attack at the bottom of his Palm Beach, Florida swimming pool on October 25, 2009, investment banker Jeffry Picower had donated a cool $2.9 million to the SPLC. However, there was a slight problem with picower's generosity. Picower had netted some $7 billion from Bernard Madoff's estimated $65 billion Ponzi scheme, which mainly bilked Jewish investors.
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>The SPLC has also taken heat from its favorite target, the right-wing.The New American's William Jasper wrote on October 4, 2011 in an article titled "SPLC: Scamming for Power, Lucre, and Control":
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>"Dees and company have squirreled away an undisclosed portion of the organization’s assets in an offshore account in the Cayman Islands. The SPLC’s IRS filings mention the Cayman account but do not provide any details. The organization’s fundraising and spending practices have received poor or failing ratings from the Better Business Bureau, the American Institute of Philanthropy, and Charity Navigator. The Social Contract reports that, unknown to most donors, 'the tax-exempt SPLC flunked an audit by the Arlington-based Better Business Bureau’s Wise Giving Alliance, which requires that ‘a reasonable percentage, at least 50 percent of total income from all sources, should be applied to programs and activities directly related to the purposes for which the organization exists.'
>
>The SPLC, far
from meeting
those
standards,
'spent 89
percent of its
total income
on fundraising
and
administrative
costs.'"
>
>The New American's account does not differ a bit from the criticism the SPLC has received from the left.
>
>The SPLC's
scam is very
similar to
that of the
Anti-Defamation
League (ADL).
My late friend
George Fowler,
who wrote for Reader's Digest, uncovered in the 1960s a story that the American Nazi Party's George Lincoln Rockwell received regular donations from ADL cut-outs in order to keep the coffers of the ADL brimming with donations from those who feared the American Nazis would bring about another Holocaust. Rockwell had been the publisher for U.S. Lady magazine in New York prior to taking over the Nazi Party in Arlington, Virginia. Rockwell's biggest advertisers were Jewish-owned stores like Bergdorf-Goodman, Gimbel's, Macy's, B. Altman, and Saks Fifth Avenue. Rockwell's parents were vaudeville performers whose friends included Jack Benny, Benny Goodman, Groucho Marx, and Walter Winchell, all major Jewish celebrities. Rockwell and the ADL were running a huge money making scam that played on popular fears, much as the SPLC and its principals are doing today.
>
>The problem
with the SPLC
is not its
right to
attack those
with whom it
disagrees,
including us.
The problem is
that it has
been using its
non-profit,
tax exempt
status to
attack
journalists
who don't
enjoy similar
tax breaks and
who have been
working to
expose Obama's
past and his
agenda. Either
the Internal
Revenue
Service tax
codes should
be amended to
grant similar
status to news
websites and
other
publications
or the SPLC's
501c3 status
should be
suspended
forthwith, if
not
retroactively.
>
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>On Thursday, July 24, 2014 2:29 PM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>Stephen
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>FYI
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>In respect to
"Holocaust
revisionism"
it must be
noted
that according
to the SPLC it
is deeply
connected to
the Nazi
movement in
the US, not
academic
historians.
Please see the
link below:
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>http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/holocaust-denial/essay-the-holocaust-denial-movement#.U8gb_shBqTg.gmail
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