[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] denial...

C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Mon Jun 23 19:09:41 EDT 2014


Here's a line for you, David - the poets often get there first. It's from a great pro-war movie - "Casablanca"  (1942):

~ Ugarte [Peter Lorre]: You despise me, don't you?
~ Rick Blaine [Humphrey Bogart]: If I gave you any thought I probably would.  

(BTW the film includes a character called 'Carl,' played by Jewish-Hungarian actor S. Z. Sakall, who fled Germany in 1939; his three sisters died in a concentration camp.) Many of the 22 credited actors were European refugees: only three were born in the U.S. It's an important piece of political propaganda that would repay study today, along with other documents of the period. One of the few good recent books on the period is Nicholson Baker, "Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization" (2009). 

--CGE

On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:33 PM, David Gehrig via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> What is the line, Carl? How goddamned Nazi has a guy got to be before you finally step off your self-appointed ambrosial Olympus and address how you -- you personally, Carl G Estabrook -- are ENABLING racist, antisemitic discourse in Champaign-Urbana by treating it as a mere exercise in harmless political hypotheticals?
> 
> If Francis started posting "Mein Kampf" page by page, would the penny drop? Or would you continue to pat yourself on the back for how willing you are, as A, to allow B to racially insult C?
> 
> Is there, unlike the municipal sewer system, simply no offal or biological waste too foul in its racism for you to proudly pass along on this list?
> 
> @%<
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:16 PM, "C. G. Estabrook" <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
>> 
>> You want posts to a political discussion list to be censored, David?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:55 PM, David Gehrig via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This isn't simply about the past. Francis is claiming the Jews are *now* *currently* scheming for, as he just put it in another post, "world domination."
>>> 
>>> It's obvious, broad bigotry. 
>>> 
>>> And yet the list lets him spew his antisemitic fill. 
>>> 
>>> How on earth is that benefitting the lists
>>> 
>>> Are other forms of racism welcome here too?
>>> 
>>> @%<
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you Stuart. We can not change the past. It is what it is. We just might be able to change the future by focusing on that and letting the past be in the past.
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