[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] denial...

Mon Jun 23 20:05:50 EDT 2014

"People always ask, 'What can I do?' And then they say, here’s something I can do. I can become a qualified civil engineer in an hour, and prove that Bush blew up the World Trade Center. I'm pretty sure that in Washington they must be clapping. A couple of years ago, I came across a Pentagon document that was about declassification procedures. Among other things, it proposed that the government should periodically declassify information about the Kennedy assassination. Let people trace whether Kennedy was killed by the mafia, so activists will go off on a wild goose chase instead of pursuing real problems or getting organized. It wouldn't shock me if thirty years from now we discover in the declassified record that the 9/11 conspiracy industry was also being fed by the administration." 

[Chomsky, Noam (2007), "What We Say Goes,"p. 39]

On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

> The deligitimization effort, 9/11 Truth, BDS, refusal to recognize Israel's existence and the exposure of the Holocaust hoax ARE the only ways to really pressure Israel to make any substantial changes. 
> Israel will probably not go away, but it doesn't have to have the form it's in now.
> Standing on a street corner or yapping about Israel's obvious oppressive behavior is just ineffective dribble.
> I understand yours and most people's position on the Holocaust and am just 'NOT preaching to the choir'.
> I'll back off on the Holocaust subject only because it is saturated to the point of ad nauseum at this point.
> There are plenty of other ways that are more subtle, digestible and more effective in making my point.
> There are highly relevant connections between the people running Obama, the Bush Crime Family, Soros, Neocons, and Zionists past and present. Those people are operating under the same rules that created the Holocaust hoax and are still profiting from them.
> Just look to Ukraine, Syria, Libya and Iraq for starters. The real motives behind these past and present events are not discussed in the MSM. It's all connected.
> I've got to take a break from this list and just do research for a while so as to not annoy people who are too set in their beliefs.
> 
> 
> On Monday, June 23, 2014 1:19 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you Stuart. We can not change the past. It is what it is. We just might be able to change the future by focusing on that and letting the past be in the past.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> 
> 
> Stuart Levy via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> 
> I don't know about others here, but I'm really tired of hearing about 
> the Nazi holocaust, pro or con.
> 
> Stephen and David, could you please stop pushing each others' buttons?   
> Or if you must, please take your discussion *off these mailing lists*.
> 
> Personally I don't take the issue much more seriously than I do advocacy 
> for a geocentric universe.   I prefer the Copernican model, but I'm not 
> going to waste time in public defending it.    There are open questions 
> in astronomy but that isn't among them.   There is plenty of room to be 
> critical of the current Israeli government (and of the US' enabling of 
> its colonial behavior) without supposing that the number of Jews killed 
> by Germany had been insignificant.
> 
> We have more important things to talk about, for heaven's sake. Instead 
> of flame wars, can we talk about what is happening in, and what we can 
> do to oppose, real, present, and impending wars?
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