[Peace-discuss] [OccupyCU] denial denial, etc etc - Enough, already, please ... Let's talk about real wars, not flame wars.

Mon Jun 23 20:16:34 EDT 2014

I like this discussion, and not just for its creative blasphemous 
flaming and counter-flaming.

(yo mama is so...that her [she]...

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For me this discussion points up some of the real crucial issues in 
racism and war.

Prejudice is not removed by argument as another Johnson noted.

If you want to become non-racist it can be useful to transcend race by 
getting
above it or going under it.

Going under it one forgets about all racism including one's own race.
Going above it one can see all of the racism and even see the differences
between genetic and cultural ethnicity and how those things interact
and how they lead to interesting follow-on effects.

In my humble opinion there is some truth in what Francis is saying but I 
dont
want to be marinated in that line of thinking.  Of course it is 
offensive to some.
Just because something is offensive doesnt mean it is bad, per se. Some 
folks
could benefit from being offended.

If you want to change the world, you will have to evict some memes and 
offend some
of those who are the Guardians of those memes.

Paraphrasing R. Crumb -- the purpose is not to be mean, or to be a 
bringdown;
the goal is not to make sensitive little girls depressed.

Some folks need to get their head out of the clouds, for others the 
problem is more obvious.

On 06/24/2014 07:35 AM, Stephen Francis via Peace-discuss wrote:
> The deligitimization effort, 9/11 Truth, BDS, refusal to recognize 
> Israel's existence and the exposure of the Holocaust hoax ARE the only 
> ways to really pressure Israel to make any substantial changes.
> Israel will probably not go away, but it doesn't have to have the form 
> it's in now.
> Standing on a street corner or yapping about Israel's obvious 
> oppressive behavior is just ineffective dribble.
> I understand yours and most people's position on the Holocaust and am 
> just 'NOT preaching to the choir'.
> I'll back off on the Holocaust subject only because it is saturated to 
> the point of ad nauseum at this point.
> There are plenty of other ways that are more subtle, digestible and 
> more effective in making my point.
> There are highly relevant connections between the people running 
> Obama, the Bush Crime Family, Soros, Neocons, and Zionists past and 
> present. Those people are operating under the same rules that created 
> the Holocaust hoax and are still profiting from them.
> Just look to Ukraine, Syria, Libya and Iraq for starters. The real 
> motives behind these past and present events are not discussed in the 
> MSM. It's all connected.
> I've got to take a break from this list and just do research for a 
> while so as to not annoy people who are too set in their beliefs.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 23, 2014 1:19 PM, Stan via Peace-discuss 
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thank you Stuart. We can not change the past. It is what it is. We 
> just might be able to change the future by focusing on that and 
> letting the past be in the past.
>
> /Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID/
>
>
> Stuart Levy via OccupyCU <occupycu at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> I don't know about others here, but I'm really tired of hearing about
> the Nazi holocaust, pro or con.
>
> Stephen and David, could you please stop pushing each others' buttons?
> Or if you must, please take your discussion *off these mailing lists*.
>
> Personally I don't take the issue much more seriously than I do advocacy
> for a geocentric universe.   I prefer the Copernican model, but I'm not
> going to waste time in public defending it.    There are open questions
> in astronomy but that isn't among them.   There is plenty of room to be
> critical of the current Israeli government (and of the US' enabling of
> its colonial behavior) without supposing that the number of Jews killed
> by Germany had been insignificant.
>
> We have more important things to talk about, for heaven's sake. Instead
> of flame wars, can we talk about what is happening in, and what we can
> do to oppose, real, present, and impending wars?
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