[Peace-discuss] Pathology on peace-discuss

Mon May 5 20:49:00 EDT 2014

Part of the work of a pathologist is to describe the problem.

 We have a pathology lab in our service company in Beijing.
It is one of the few laboratories that does routine microscopic pathology
on
pig samples.  Most labs rely upon shortcut methods like serology and PCR
which focus
on the supposed agents of pathology.  It is better to get an understanding
of the problem,
how the pig reacted, what is the complex interaction of factors involved.

We dont focus much on individual animals but rather on population biology

and epidemiology.

One approach to problems is to try to shove them under the rug.
The result is something like a picture of a elephant in a boa constrictor.

Pathology is not always lovely.  There's blood and guts, and smelly fluids

and thinks that would not be all that great on a Ritz.
But if ya really want to fix the problem you have to put on the gloves
(advisable),
get the knife and wade in.

   	-------Original Message-------
 From: David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
 To: Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
 Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pathology on peace-discuss
 Sent: May 06 '14 06:43

In Chomskyan fashion, I believe that what is of moral and political value
is to criticize the actions of one's own government (what one is presumably
responsible for), in this case our government's policies in support of
Israel. That is not "singling out" Israel. Beyond that, we all make choices
as to where to focus our time among those issues that we might have some
influence over--say Latin American vs. the ME.

Regarding anti-Semitism, I have avidly opposed a fashion of anti-Semitism
that is to be found on Mondoweiss that purports to blame Israel for bad
choices in U.S. foreign policy. One can find many comments of mine to that
effect, easily searchable. That sort of anti-Semitism is important to
oppose, because it undermines the credibility and distorts the tactics of
the pro-Palestinian movement, in my view--not because these people are
going to participate in pogroms. I would make an analogous point regarding
some crude things said about Jews by some fairly well-known blacks (such as
Farrakhan) in relation to the credibility of the movement for racial/social
justice in this country.

A summary perspective can be found here: [LINK:
http://palestinechronicle.com/old/view_article_details.php?id=15781]
http://palestinechronicle.com/old/view_article_details.php?id=15781

The kind of anti-Semitism that allegedly occurred on our campus is not
important to oppose, because it's inconsequential. Thus opposing it is of
no consequence. If the local antiwar movement were flocking to this event,
I would comment. Clearly, it is not. I will much more vehemently point out
the hypocrisy of those who exaggerate the dangers of anti-Semitism in our
own community while doing nothing to oppose U.S. support of Israel's
occupation of Palestine. That is moral grandstanding, and I don't have to
say who is the local champion of that approach.

I especially won't dance to the tune of those who, in the larger scheme of
things, use anti-anti-Semitism as a cover for their tolerance of and
support for gross injustice. That's become a pretty transparent and
threadbare tactic, however persistent its practitioners.

DG

On Monday, May 5, 2014 1:07 PM, David Gehrig <david-cu at nukulele.org> wrote:

It's interesting to compare and contrast.

When Ya'acov points to Israel being singled out, Green castigates him for
hiding behind the entire queue of world problems, as if everything else
must be solved first before it becomes possible to criticize Israel. When
Green is called on to condemn an actual antisemitic incident right here in
CU, he hides behind the entire queue of world problems, as if everything
else must be solved first before it becomes possible to condemn an actual
antisemitic incident right here in CU. The hypocrisy glows like neon.

@%<

On May 5, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Karen Aram <[LINK:
mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com] karenaram at hotmail.com> wrote:

David Green doesn't spew hatred, what he speaks out against is the policies
of apartheid by the government of Israel and the US. If we don't speak out
now it will soon be too late.  Maybe if more people had spoken out against
the policies of Hitler, during the rise of Nazism, there wouldn't have been
a holocaust.  When they began executing those who did speak out, it was too
late. EX: Sophie Scholl and compatriots of the White Rose.

   From: [LINK: mailto:david-cu at nukulele.org] david-cu at nukulele.org
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 09:37:06 -0400
To: [LINK: mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net]
peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Pathology on peace-discuss

While I'm thinking about it, I might as well mention that the "mendacious
propaganda" Green accuses me of passing came from Mother Jones, that
well-known nest of Likudniks. But when your view is Counterpunchian, such
distinctions don't matter if they get in the way of your fulminating
hatred.

The Counterpunch crowd is better known for the fixity of their stance than
the depth or rationality of it, which is why they had already sailed into
obscurity long before Cockburn shuffled off this mortal coil. Their "We can
solve the Mideast if only we all hate Israel enough" stance is of a moment,
say 2002 or so, and that moment has passed. At this point, they are down to
publishing the Holocaust denier Israel Shamir, the Holocaust denier Gilad
Atzmon, and -- uh -- David Green, who has no problem with that.

@%<

On May 1, 2014, at 9:14 PM, David Gehrig <[LINK:
mailto:david-cu at nukulele.org] david-cu at nukulele.org> wrote:

Another victim of Counterpunchery. David Green is a big believer in the
whiff test. if someone mentions antisemitism, you should run to the window,
fling it open, give a big sniff, and if the very first scent that hits your
nostrils is *not* the smell of burning synagogue, then you must shout, NOW
IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT ANTISEMITISM, as if the community were
actually waiting for David Green's permission before being able to do so.

The time to talk about antisemitism is when there is antisemitism, even if
David Green throws another tantrum. The time to talk about antisemitic
incidents in CU is when there are antisemitic incidents, even if David
Green throws another tantrum.

@%<

On Apr 30, 2014, at 8:17 PM, David Green <[LINK:
mailto:davegreen84 at yahoo.com] davegreen84 at yahoo.com> wrote:

I have always considered the movement against the Holocaust denial
movement, such as it is (and it's not much in effectual terms), to be one
of displacement, denial, distraction, and diversion from the sins of USFP
and its surrogate Israel.

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