[Peace-discuss] Congress: no $$ for war without debate & vote

Wed Nov 19 19:16:33 EST 2014

The problem is that it is not really a sincere call for action
but rather a sort of cheerleading to drum up support
for what is already cut-and-dried.

On 11/20/2014 07:27 AM, Karen Medina via Peace-discuss wrote:
> I think there are two different issues here.
> One issue is the amount of power that has been taken away from the 
> people affected by the decisions.
> The other issue is war and the legality of war.
>
> Robert is correct in calling for people to act on the first issue.
>
> -Karen Evans Medina Levy
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:52 PM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss 
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 
> <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>
>     We should urge our representative and senators to oppose any
>     funding for war, period.
>
>     A Congressional "authorization for the use of force" cannot make
>     mass murder legal under international law.
>
>     America's criminal war-making (and provocations of Russia and
>     China) is in aid of the economic advantage of the American one
>     percent - via their control of the Eurasian economy - and
>     monstrously dangerous to the rest of the world, including
>     Americans, who pay for it.
>
>     We should instead call upon the Congress to institute impeachment
>     proceedings against the war-makers in the US government, starting
>     with the President.
>
>
>     On Nov 17, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Robert Naiman
>     <noreply at list.moveon.org <mailto:noreply at list.moveon.org>> wrote:
>
>>     Dear C. G. Estabrook,
>>
>>     The Pentagon has requested $5 billion in new funding for the new
>>     war in Iraq and Syria. *But Congress has not yet debated and
>>     voted on an authorization for the use of military force* [AUMF]
>>     [1], and *budget watchdog groups say the Pentagon can easily find
>>     the money in the massive budgets it already has*. [2]
>>
>>     *Urge your Representative and Senators to oppose* any new funding
>>     for war in Iraq and Syria until Congress has debated and voted on
>>     an authorization for the use of force and the Pentagon has
>>     explained why it needs more money on top of the massive budgets
>>     it already has, *by signing our petition at MoveOn*.
>>
>>     *http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/no-war-money-without-debate*
>>
>>     I explained why the idea of Congress giving the Pentagon new tax
>>     dollars for the war before Congress debates and votes on an AUMF
>>     is outrageous six ways from Sunday in a piece at Truthout. *You
>>     can read and share that here:*
>>
>>     *http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/27478-5-billion-for-iraq-syria-war-three-reasons-to-oppose*
>>
>>     Here is the text of our petition at MoveOn:
>>
>>         "Members of Congress should oppose any new funding for war in
>>         Iraq and Syria until Congress has debated and voted on an
>>         Authorization for the Use of Military Force [AUMF] and the
>>         Pentagon has explained why it needs more money on top of the
>>         massive budgets it already has."
>>
>>     *Urge your Representative and Senators to stand up for
>>     transparency and accountability by signing and sharing our
>>     petition:*
>>
>>     *http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/act/no-war-money-without-debate*
>>
>>     Thanks for all you do to help end, limit, and constrain war using
>>     democracy and the rule of law,
>>
>>     Robert Naiman
>>     Just Foreign Policy
>>
>>     References:
>>     1. “Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine: We're in ISIS war 'without legal
>>     authority,'” Laura Koran and Ashley Killough, CNN, November 12,
>>     2014,http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/12/politics/tim-kaine-isis/index.html
>>     2. “The Pentagon's Budget Bamboozle: Lawmakers should look very
>>     closely at the latest Pentagon funding request,” Ryan Alexander,
>>     Taxpayers for Common Sense, U.S. News & World Report, Nov. 12,
>>     2014,
>>     http://www.usnews.com/opinion/economic-intelligence/2014/11/12/congress-should-look-closely-at-pentagon-overseas-funding-requests
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>     This message was sent to C. G. Estabrook by Robert Naiman through
>>     MoveOn's public petition website. MoveOn Political Action
>>     licensed and paid for this service, but does not endorse contents
>>     of this message. To unsubscribe or report this email as
>>     inappropriate, click here:
>>     http://petitions.moveon.org/unsub.html?i=26332-2656067-aTBFi0
>>
>>     *Want to make a donation?* MoveOn is entirely funded by our 8
>>     million members—no corporate contributions, no big checks from
>>     CEOs. And our tiny staff ensures that small contributions go a
>>     long way. Chip in here.
>>     <https://civic.moveon.org/donatec4/creditcard.html?cpn_id=687>
>>
>>     Web Bug from http://petitions.moveon.org/o?i=26332-2656067-aTBFi0
>>     Web Bug from
>>     http://list.moveon.org/wf/open?upn=e1-2F-2FEAR3sQFfdoSEDub2TS80s1kPnZTIE4eTkmcKsntUL-2BuYM0l-2F7viSkwd7CopMdM6kuQhNvWuhkcimy-2F741YMbVHBeS3UoNvO5XzTuWFsSRuX9BqfE0bNGWQFUoHncOrRGuarC-2F8S7noh8bh5LKtWQYaKq0081GcQ7skzrM32KgEt7G6Bs-2Bzd06Sarqac5Pocha7rFZBOGkI5FoKNbi0aoU4Ew3psebTLsqf-2B5tBQtQlyDUi3VWevUv9s6yW-2Bg
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Peace-discuss mailing list
>     Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>     <mailto:Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>     https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> -- karen medina
> "The really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." - 
> Mark Twain
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> https://lists.chambana.net/mailman/listinfo/peace-discuss

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.chambana.net/pipermail/peace-discuss/attachments/20141120/9d64cf52/attachment-0001.html>