[Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE ON THE AIR for Tuesday 9/9 - CANCELED

[C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss]

Are you saying I'm uncivil, Ya'aQov?  That seems to be the fashion in C-U.

I was taught as a youth that a gentlemen was never unintentionally rude...

It's surely a forced comparison, if only on the matter of scale, to say that "Qatar has been to Hamas exactly what US  has been to Israel."

Qatar's sympathy and support for movements associated with the Muslim Brotherhood have now been rather effectively estopped by Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Over its quarter-century history, Hamas has probably received more effective support from Israel (to make it a religious alternative to Fatah) than from Qatar.

I write that "Israeli hasbara" is a redundancy because we do not often speak of e.g. "Scottish hasbara." (If we used the latter phrase, we might mean, "Israeli propaganda in a Scottish context.")

Here's some cut-and-paste from Chomsky on why Israel allowed Qatar to "build and pay [for] tunnels," insofar as they did:

"...Israeli experts have calculated in detail exactly how many calories, literally, Gazans need to survive. And if you look at the sanctions that they impose, they’re grotesque. I mean, even John Kerry condemned them bitterly. They’re sadistic. Just enough calories to survive. And, of course, it is partly metaphoric, because it means just enough material coming in through the tunnels so that they don’t totally die. Israel restricts medicines, but you have to allow a little trickle in. When I was there right before the November 2012 assault, visited the Khan Younis hospital, and the director showed us that they don’t even have simple medicines, but they have something. And the same is true with all aspects of it. Keep them on a diet, literally. And the reason is very simple, and they pretty much said it: "If they die, it’s not going to look good for Israel. We may claim that we’re not the occupying power, but the rest of the world doesn’t agree. Even the United States doesn’t agree. We are the occupying power. And if we kill off the population under occupation, not going to look good." It’s not the 19th century, when, as the U.S. expanded over what’s its national territory, it pretty much exterminated the indigenous population. Well, by 19th century’s imperial standards, that was unproblematic. This is a little different today. You can’t exterminate the population in the territories that you occupy. That’s the dovish position, Weissglas. The hawkish position is Eiland, which you quoted: Let’s just kill them off."

(Does the comparison suggest the damage a professor of indigenous studies might do to the hasbara?)


On Sep 10, 2014, at 9:02 AM, ya'aQov <yaaqovz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Carl, yes, you do present Chomsky and some of his terms, overture to
> AWARE.  Then it's in the following snipings, the comments you insert
> or tolerate (as opposed to those you don't tolerate) that hatred, the
> giving up of context and rushing to bumperstickers. The fact you cut
> and paste from Chomsky doesn't transfer his methodology and passion
> for contexts. What you have instead is one dimensional hatred.
> 
> You lie when you present yourself  as open to disagreements. You allow
> Ron, yourself, Karen to go any lengths vengeance-fully attacking
> Israelis; you shortcut, interrupt, and refuse to voice criticism of
> anything Palestinian. Instead of digging and researching into the
> financial assistance from Qatar Hamas used to build and pay tunnels,
> and missiles, or pay themselves, you shortcut me when I mention that.
> You refuse to look at the way in which Qatar has been to Hamas exactly
> what US  has been to Israel.  I can't wait to see your face enjoying
> ]pompous' when I broach that next time on the air.
> 
> Your smartass comments introducing attacks on Israel/US government on
> any occasion aren't pompous, are juvenile, demagogic. "Israeli
> hasbara' is redundant, as in all Israelis say is propaganda? what a
> hateful remark! one step short of Israelis hatred (the new form of
> anti-semitism).
> 
> Sure, surrounding yourself with venomous, spiteful Israelis hating
> people on Neptune makes you look less hateful. Enjoy your ride.