[Peace-discuss] Netanyahu insulted Sen. Durbin. What will Durbin do about it?

[Robert Naiman]

As always, you lie about my views. No wonder you rush to defend Netanyahu -
you are both pathological liars.



On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:24 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com>
wrote:

> When your new idea seems to be support for war-making that you formerly
> opposed (because now it's done by a different political party), I do think
> it should be avoided.
>
> --CGE
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> Really, Carl? You're going to give lectures now on repetition? When was
> the last time you had a new idea, 1984?
>
>
>
> Robert Naiman
> Policy Director
> Just Foreign Policy
> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> (202) 448-2898 x1
>
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 4:05 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com
> > wrote:
>
>> You need some new phrases, Bob - repeating "ultra-left drivel" lacks
>> punch, to say nothing of argumentation.
>>
>> But opposing, not supporting, the criminal wars of our government leaders
>> seems to me incumbent on those of us privileged enough to have the time and
>> resources to do it. In our lifetime US executive branch leaders have
>> killed, wounded and made homeless well over 20 million human beings,
>> mostly civilians - and the numbers increase daily.
>>
>> How does it happen that a self-proclaimed advocate for "Just Foreign
>> Policy" ends up approving of mass murder, drone terrorism, and proxy war -
>> so long as those crimes are committed by nice Democrats?
>>
>> On Netanyahu, I don't think Durbin, Kaine, Schakowsky, or any or the rest
>> should symbolically put their fingers in their ears and chant, "I can't
>> hear you!" - and hence avoid any questions about the role of Israel as a
>> stationary aircraft carrier for US imperialist crimes in the Mideast and
>> elsewhere.
>>
>> Philip Weiss seems to me to have it right: "...The speech should go on
>> because its historical amazement — the spectacle of a warmongering foreign
>> leader rebuking the U.S. president on his foreign policy before a joint
>> session of Congress — will catalyze an important political debate over the
>> American people’s interest in the Middle East ...  The speech might allow a
>> long-suppressed argument ... the only people who want this speech to
>> happen now are our side, the Palestinian solidarity types, and the
>> hard-core neocons ... If the speech goes forward, people will be openly
>> debating ... why we are at war in the Middle East – or 'how did we get into
>> this mess' (as Tom Friedman puts it) ... The Netanyahu speech will be a
>> great shock to the American system, and a healthy one: it will set off a
>> long needed and long denied conversation..."
>> [See more at:
>> http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech#sthash.TNbBo2Bu.dpuf]
>>
>> Regards, Carl
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>>
>> You could write the same ultra-left drivel about Tim Kaine and Jan
>> Schakowsky as you could about Dick Durbin.
>>
>> But Tim Kaine did this:
>>
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/25/tim-kaine-the-latest-hill-democrat-to-announce-plans-to-skip-netanyahus-speech/
>>
>> And Jan Schakowsky did this:
>>
>>
>> http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/schakowsky-a-jew-decides-to-skip-netanyahus-speech-to-congress/
>>
>> Why do you always try to change the subject from activism to your
>> ultra-left drivel, Carl? Why do you hate activism so much?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Naiman
>> Policy Director
>> Just Foreign Policy
>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>> (202) 448-2898 x1
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM, C. G. Estabrook <
>> carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Durbin, a fervent supporter of Obama's world-wide war plans - including
>>> but by no means limited to his drone program, "the most extreme terrorist
>>> campaign of modern times" - should be insulted more seriously and more
>>> often.
>>>
>>> Obama's policy is to mislead the only enemy of his war plans whom he
>>> really fears, the US public. Therefore Netanyahu should be encouraged to
>>> give his speech:
>>> <http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech>.
>>>
>>> Durbin should be told that Obama's war-making in E. Europe and SW Asia
>>> is criminal madness, for which both should be impeached. The Vietnam war
>>> resulted in two presidents being driven from office. The US public should
>>> repeat the action. Obama at least is afraid of that.
>>>
>>> --CGE
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Robert Naiman <noreply at list.moveon.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear C. G. Estabrook,
>>>
>>> Have you heard? In a shocking insult towards our Democratic Illinois
>>> Senator, Dick Durbin, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected an
>>> invitation from Senator Durbin and California Senator Dianne Feinstein to
>>> meet with Senate Democrats when he is in Washington next week. [1].
>>>
>>> At this writing, The Hill still lists Durbin as “on the fence” on
>>> whether he will participate in Netanyahu’s planned tirade to Congress
>>> against President Obama on Tuesday. [2]
>>>
>>> Senator Durbin needs to hear more from people in Illinois that we don’t
>>> want him to support Netanyahu’s tirade attacking President Obama by
>>> attending it. We can still move him to do the right thing. Just yesterday,
>>> Democratic Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky [3]  and Democratic Virginia
>>> Senator Tim Kaine [4] announced that they will not attend the speech...
>>>
>>>
>>
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