[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: Netanyahu insulted Sen. Durbin.Whatwill Durbin do about it?

Thu Feb 26 23:43:45 EST 2015

Well Carl,

Who was it that said something to the effect that there are many who will love the lying corrupt scoundrel ( Like Barack Obama ) but will hate the one who speaks the truth in the pursuit of justice ?

Don’t worry, I still like you and appreciate your insight and dedication to justice, even if we disagree on a few issues, and I can guarantee you that I am not alone.

David Johnson

From: sf-core at yahoogroups.com [mailto:sf-core at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'C. G. Estabrook' carl at newsfromneptune.com [sf-core]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:43 PM
To: John
Cc: Peace Discuss; sf-core
Subject: Re: [sf-core] Re: [Peace-discuss] Netanyahu insulted Sen. Durbin.Whatwill Durbin do about it?

Cio ch'io vedeva mi sembiava un riso / de l'universo... ("What I saw seemed to me a smile of the universe...") --Dante, Paradiso, 27:4f.

"Laughter is the closest thing to the grace of God." --Karl Barth

On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:09 PM, John <jlvlo1945 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Boring for sure, but sometimes good for a laugh.

> From: C. G. Estabrook
> Sent: ‎26/‎2/‎2015 16:35
> To: John
> Cc: Peace Discuss; sf-core
> Subject: Re: [sf-core] Re: [Peace-discuss] Netanyahu insulted Sen. Durbin.Whatwill Durbin do about it?
> 
> I don't know you, John (I think), but I freely admit to being pompous, pedantic, arrogant, rude, and sarcastic. Some of that, at least, will go into my Lenten confession.
> 
> But "boring"! As an ex-teacher (who remembers the name of the young women in my first class who always fell asleep) and a quondam actor, I find that that really hurts...
> 
> La Rochefoucauld wrote, "We often forgive those who bore us, but never those whom we bore..." 
> 
> Regards, CGE
> 
> 
> "Dost thou not suspect my place? dost thou not 
> suspect my years? O that he were here to write me 
> down an ass! But, masters, remember that I am an 
> ass; though it be not written down, yet forget not 
> that I am an ass. No, thou villain, thou art full of 
> piety, as shall be proved upon thee by good witness. 
> I am a wise fellow, and, which is more, an officer, 
> and, which is more, a householder, and, which is 
> more, as pretty a piece of flesh as any is in 
> Messina, and one that knows the law, go to; and a 
> rich fellow enough, go to; and a fellow that hath 
> had losses, and one that hath two gowns and every 
> thing handsome about him. Bring him away. O that 
> I had been writ down an ass!"
> --Dogberry, Much Ado about Nothing
> 
> 
> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:03 PM, John <jlvlo1945 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I find it impossible to support you, even when I agree with your position, because you are a pompous, pedantic, arrogant, rude, sarcastic, boring ass.
> 
> 
> > From: 'C. G. Estabrook' carl at newsfromneptune.com [sf-core]
> > Sent: ‎26/‎2/‎2015 15:05
> > To: Robert Naiman
> > Cc: Peace Discuss; sf-core; occupycu
> > Subject: [sf-core] Re: [Peace-discuss] Netanyahu insulted Sen. Durbin. Whatwill Durbin do about it?
> > 
> > 
> > You need some new phrases, Bob - repeating "ultra-left drivel" lacks punch, to say nothing of argumentation.
> > 
> > But opposing, not supporting, the criminal wars of our government leaders seems to me incumbent on those of us privileged enough to have the time and resources to do it. In our lifetime US executive branch leaders have killed, wounded and made homeless well over 20 million human beings, mostly civilians - and the numbers increase daily. 
> > 
> > How does it happen that a self-proclaimed advocate for "Just Foreign Policy" ends up approving of mass murder, drone terrorism, and proxy war - so long as those crimes are committed by nice Democrats?
> > 
> > On Netanyahu, I don't think Durbin, Kaine, Schakowsky, or any or the rest should symbolically put their fingers in their ears and chant, "I can't hear you!" - and hence avoid any questions about the role of Israel as a stationary aircraft carrier for US imperialist crimes in the Mideast and elsewhere.
> > 
> > Philip Weiss seems to me to have it right: "...The speech should go on because its historical amazement — the spectacle of a warmongering foreign leader rebuking the U.S. president on his foreign policy before a joint session of Congress — will catalyze an important political debate over the American people’s interest in the Middle East ... The speech might allow a long-suppressed argument ... the only people who want this speech to happen now are our side, the Palestinian solidarity types, and the hard-core neocons ... If the speech goes forward, people will be openly debating ... why we are at war in the Middle East – or 'how did we get into this mess' (as Tom Friedman puts it) ... The Netanyahu speech will be a great shock to the American system, and a healthy one: it will set off a long needed and long denied conversation..." 
> > [See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech#sthash.TNbBo2Bu.dpuf]
> > 
> > Regards, Carl
> > 
> > On Feb 26, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Robert Naiman via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> You could write the same ultra-left drivel about Tim Kaine and Jan Schakowsky as you could about Dick Durbin. 
> >> 
> >> But Tim Kaine did this:
> >> 
> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/25/tim-kaine-the-latest-hill-democrat-to-announce-plans-to-skip-netanyahus-speech/
> >> 
> >> And Jan Schakowsky did this:
> >> 
> >> http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/02/25/schakowsky-a-jew-decides-to-skip-netanyahus-speech-to-congress/
> >> 
> >> Why do you always try to change the subject from activism to your ultra-left drivel, Carl? Why do you hate activism so much?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Robert Naiman
> >> Policy Director
> >> Just Foreign Policy
> >> www.justforeignpolicy.org
> >> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
> >> (202) 448-2898 x1
> >> 
> >> On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:49 PM, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com> wrote:
> >> Durbin, a fervent supporter of Obama's world-wide war plans - including but by no means limited to his drone program, "the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times" - should be insulted more seriously and more often. 
> >> 
> >> Obama's policy is to mislead the only enemy of his war plans whom he really fears, the US public. Therefore Netanyahu should be encouraged to give his speech: 
> >> <http://mondoweiss.net/2015/02/netanyahu-cancel-speech>.
> >> 
> >> Durbin should be told that Obama's war-making in E. Europe and SW Asia is criminal madness, for which both should be impeached. The Vietnam war resulted in two presidents being driven from office. The US public should repeat the action. Obama at least is afraid of that.
> >> 
> >> --CGE
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 26, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Robert Naiman <noreply at list.moveon.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Dear C. G. Estabrook, 
> >>> 
> >>> Have you heard? In a shocking insult towards our Democratic Illinois Senator, Dick Durbin, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected an invitation from Senator Durbin and California Senator Dianne Feinstein to meet with Senate Democrats when he is in Washington next week. [1]. 
> >>> 
> >>> At this writing, The Hill still lists Durbin as “on the fence” on whether he will participate in Netanyahu’s planned tirade to Congress against President Obama on Tuesday. [2] 
> >>> 
> >>> Senator Durbin needs to hear more from people in Illinois that we don’t want him to support Netanyahu’s tirade attacking President Obama by attending it. We can still move him to do the right thing. Just yesterday, Democratic Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky [3] and Democratic Virginia Senator Tim Kaine [4] announced that they will not attend the speech...
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