[Peace-discuss] From Gaza to Ferguson

C. G. Estabrook carl at newsfromneptune.com
Fri May 29 10:26:30 EDT 2015


I think this is right. 

One can reasonably argue that the BDS tactics are in the interest of the victims of Israeli apartheid without holding that they necessarily imply a one-state solution. 


> On May 28, 2015, at 8:46 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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> Well, it's not the S in BDS I refer to, but the "Brand BDS" (Omar Barghouti) in regard to their agnosticism towards any specific political solution, as opposed to targeted Bs and Ds, the most successful of which (as Finkelstein points out) have been conducted by those (including churches) promoting international law (2 states). I agree with Finkelstein/Chomsky's criticism that "one state" allows BDS critics to in some way accurately represent BDS as wanting to "destroy Israel." What that would mean in reality (although it's a fantasy) is of course democracy and civil equality. But debunking that notion does not counter the idea that this would destroy Israel as an ethnocratic state, which it always has been, regardless of the occupation. But Israel's ethnocracy should be dealt with separately from the occupation, in my view. Lots of countries have a minority that it treats like crap, including our own.
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> On Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:27 PM, "Brussel, Morton K" <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> I for one wouldn’t worry whether Israeli supporters willfully misrepresent the BDS campaign, as David you accede to in saying that the S part of BDS somehow tends toward favoring a one state solution, anathema to those supporters. Chomsky, or Finkelstein, holding on to the two state solution option appear badly out of touch with the “facts o the ground". In expressing your disagreement with this facet of the BDS effort, you effectively, and regretfully, weaken it. 
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> Or do I misinterpret?
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> —mkb
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>> On May 28, 2015, at 6:22 PM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
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>> My extended comments on SB 1761 and I/P in general begin a few minutes into the most recent edition of the World Labor Hour.
>> http://www.radio4all.net/files/bobpalez@comcast.net/3532-1-Illinois-WorldLaborHour_2015-05-23_edit.mp3
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>> DG
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