[Peace-discuss] Venezuelan government expose violent plans to carry out a coup February 12

Sat Feb 20 08:57:48 EST 2016

I don’t hate “ America “ ie. the American people and the Constitution / Bill of Rights. 

I hate the wealthy / corporate and neo-fascist elements in America that have been causing death / destruction and subverting democracy world-wide and domestically, currently and historically.

You are spoon fed by the corporate media, All of your statements prove that.

And your statement : “you filter everything through your I hate America even though I am an American (but I am ashamed to be) pink or maybe red colored glasses –“ 

Is even MORE proof that you are not only a narrow minded idiot but a neo-fascist as well !

Power to the People !

David Johnson

From: Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2016 7:42 AM
To: David Johnson
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Venezuelan government expose violent plans to carry out a coup February 12

You don't care either - you filter everything through your I hate America even though I am an American (but I am ashamed to be) pink or maybe red colored glasses - 

When you tell me that I get spoon fed by the Corporate media - you piss me off - I am as smart as, if not probably smarter than you - and I won't be talked down to because you think you are hot shit!

Roger

and you totally failed to answer the question - months have intervened - but nothing really happened - that is probably the factual truth, but like Trump, you attack the questioner since you don't have the answer that you really want to give.

On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 5:20 AM, David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net> wrote:

What do you care Roger and what are YOUR “ reliable ( from a factual point of view )  sources “ ?

The U.S. corporate media ?

Oh that is a real objective source, NOT !

You believe what you want to believe and you are obviously blissfully ignorant of any of the actual history of Latin America or the conditions of the majority of it’s people. Likewise with the history of corporate imperialism in Latin America and elsewhere in the world and CIA ; rigged elections, assassination / murders and coups against democratically elected governments.

You don’t have a clue, because you don’t want to know the truth.

David Johnson

From: Roger Helbig [mailto:rwhelbig at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 5:21 PM
To: David Johnson
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Venezuelan government expose violent plans to carry out a coup February 12

Just was looking for e-mail from a relative and found this old post by you from a probably totally unreliable (from a factual viewpoint) source and I wonder if any of it was ever found to be true or if you even cared since it could incite and inflame people who allegedly care deeply about PEACE - somehow, I would think spreading lies and inflaming people is the exact opposite of trying to make PEACE - it seems to me to be the way to spread WAR.

Roger

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 11:11 AM, David Johnson via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

News <http://www.telesurtv.net/english/section/news>   <http://www.telesurtv.net/SubSecciones/en/news/latinaamerica/> > Latin America 

Maduro Assures Justice Will Prevail

Description: President Nicolas Maduro delivers his annual presidential address in January 2015.

President Nicolas Maduro delivers his annual presidential address in January 2015. | Photo: AVN

Published 22 February 2015 (15 hours 15 minutes ago) 

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The Venezuelan President assured that justice will be served and advised the right wing to stop playing political games.

Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro Sunday denounced via his official Twitter account the right wing opposition’s attempt to secure impunity after the arrest of Metropolitan Mayor <http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Maduro-Confirms-Arrest-of-Caracas-Mayor-for-Coup-Plotting-20150219-0034.html>  of Caracas Antonio Ledezma Thursday. He assured that justice will prevail <http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Venezuelan-Victims-of-Opposition-Violence-Demand-Justice-20150212-0003.html>  and defend the country from any destabilization attempt.  

Maduro said that justice will be served after the government recently exposed violent plans  <http://Venezuela:%20Coup%20in%20Real%20Time> to carry out a coup February 12. The coup plans intended to attack <http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/New-Details-Emerge-in-Venezuela-Following-Failed-Coup-Attempt-20150214-0015.html>  different parts of Caracas and impose an illegitimate government body. 

Translation: They involve soldiers in their conspiracies, with support from the Gringos, and later they abandon them and leave them to their fate, and then they only show up for their “political” figures... 

Maduro accused right wing leaders of recruiting Venezuelan military for their coup plans.The coup sought to develop in various states with support from the US government.   

  He advised the opposition to abandon their political games, referring to their simultaneous participation in democratic elections while also developing violent coup plans against the government. 

Translation: Whoever wants to participate in politics respecting the constitution without ambushes and hidden (coup) letters, Welcome, we all have a place in the revolution. 

This Saturday the president also called on the Venezuelan people to be alert and prepared for any scenario that could arrise as a consequence of U.S. intervention and cooperation with the Venezuelan right wing. The United States denies <http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/US-Contradicts-Itself-Regarding-Intervention-in-Venezuela-20150220-0020.html>  their involvement in destablization plans against Venezuela. 

Translation: The right wing with its wounded pride, is quiet in face of the coup attempt I've reported and that we are dismantling, keep your silence full of complicity ... 

It was the discovery on February 12 that led to the arrest of Ledezma a week later on February 19. Ledezma is charged for his alleged involvement in the attempted coup.  

Translation: But now justice will prevail, with absolute sovereignty, prosecutors and courts must act in defense of peace and the constitution... 

On February 20 the Public Ministry issued a statement. A judicial source said that "this arrest is related to the case of Lorent Saleh Gomez, Gabriel Valleys, Ronny Navarro, Carrero and Renzo Gerardo Prieto, who are currently being charged for alleged links with conspiratorial plans." 

President Maduro also reported Thursday during a televised address that there is an international conspiracy against Venezuela that includes hostile media publications. Maduro said he has evidence of U.S. embassy staff involvement in the coup attempt. 

He also emphasized that cities such as: Madrid (Spain), Bogota (Colombia) <http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Colombia-Denies-Involvement-in-Venezuela-Coup-Plot-20150219-0044.html> , Miami (United States) are critical "to the conspiracy against our country." 

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