[Peace-discuss] [sf-core] Re: Demagoguery from Duckworth

Fri Jul 29 14:54:12 UTC 2016

“MORE pro-AIPAC than Hillary Clinton”? Rather a fine distinction, don’t you think?

And hardly a basis for voting for a supporter of Clinton.

> On Jul 29, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Robert Naiman naiman.uiuc at gmail.com [sf-core] <sf-core-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Yes, there is a more rabid supporter of AIPAC than Hillary Clinton: Mark Kirk. 
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> Nobody is expecting you to vote for Hillary Clinton or Tammy Duckworth. 
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> But if you don't concede that Mark Kirk is more pro-AIPAC than Hillary Clinton, then either you are not informed or you are not telling the truth. 
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> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:29 AM, C. G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
> A vote for Mark Kirk is a vote for AIPAC? Is there any more rabid supporter of AIPAC than Hillary Clinton?
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> Just as I won’t vote for Clinton because “She’s not Donald Trump!”, so I won’t vote for Duckworth because “She’s not Mark Kirk!”
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> Pro-war Duckworth was carpet-bagged into a Congressional seat by the national Democratic party in order to displace a popular anti-war Democrat.
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> Following Debs’ advice - that it’s better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don’t want and get it - I’ll vote for the Green party candidate for Senate, Scott Summers.
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>> On Jul 29, 2016, at 8:32 AM, Robert Naiman <naiman at justforeignpolicy.org <mailto:naiman at justforeignpolicy.org>> wrote:
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>> I'm not in love with the Russia thing, but this is not something that Duckworth in particular is promoting, this is something that Trump did that is so controversial in mainstream U.S. discourse that even Trump backed off of it. It must have been pretty extreme for Trump to back off of it, given all the outrageous things that he's not willing to abandon. 
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>> Kirk was a principal, vigorous opponent of the Iran nuclear deal and has been a longtime Iran warmonger; he was an Iran warmonger before it was cool to be an Iran warmonger. Kirk is more AIPAC than AIPAC. He actually attacked AIPAC during the #IranDeal fight for not being vicious enough in its attacks on the deal. Duckworth voted for the deal. Every national peace group supported the deal and opposed Kirk's efforts to kill it. 
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>> Trump, of course, is against the deal, as is virtually the whole GOP. This is part of their play to pander to the extreme right wing of the Israel Lobby. 
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>> Hillary supports the deal. 
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>> I expect to have problems with Hillary when she is POTUS. If she tries to lead a regime change war in Syria I will fight her all the way; in fact, I'm already fighting with people on Team Hillary who want her to do this. But so far Hillary is being careful only to emphasize things that Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters agree on - as she did last night. 
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>> Hillary is leading Trump in Illinois by 14 points, according to a recent poll. No mainstream analyst expects the outcome in Illinois to be in dispute: Hillary will beat Trump in Illinois decisively. We likely won't see much campaigning here in the presidential race. 
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>> But the Senate race is a very different matter. A recent poll had Kirk leading Duckworth. I suspect this result is driven by the fact that many people in Illinois have no idea what a right-wing goon Mark Kirk is. He has carefully worked to cultivate an "independent" image - denouncing Trump, calling for a confirmation hearing for Garland, etc. But on the Middle East, Kirk is no moderate. He is more AIPAC than AIPAC. 
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>> Duckworth voted for banning the transfer of cluster bombs to Saudi Arabia. Where is Mark Kirk? 
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>> The election that put Kirk in office was extremely close. Champaign County could make the difference this time. 
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>> A vote for Mark Kirk is a vote for AIPAC. 
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>> Tammy Duckworth yard signs are starting to spring up around town. This is a development we should all encourage. 
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>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 7:00 AM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:
>> [Politico.com <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Politico.com&d=CwMFaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=ExvJuzYSnc12a8TVJqAT96VNiv6Ryv2n0pida-wdM1A&s=AlZdkS43Be2iOAxr2aM4mZoABeI13u4ZZ98HMzH4ApA&e=>] "U.S. Senate hopeful Tammy Duckworth used her moment in the spotlight at the Democratic National Convention on Thursday to take it to Republican nominee Donald Trump. Speaking to the convention's delegates, she assailed Trump for his controversial comments asking Russia to find Hillary Clinton's deleted emails [sic]… Duckworth said, 'By the way, Donald Trump, I didn't put my life on the line to defend our democracy so you could invite Russia to interfere in it.' 'You are not fit to be Commander-in-Chief.’"
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>> Duckworth, who if she is elected to replace Illinois senator Mark Kirk, will be a reliable vote for more Obama-Clinton war in the Mideast and elsewhere, asserts all of Hillary Clinton’s political program:
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>> (1) the president’s primary description is commander-in-chief: the principal job is to make war; and 
>> (2) Clinton’s primary qualification is “I am not Donald Trump!”
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