[Peace-discuss] Peace-discuss Digest, Vol 152, Issue 120

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I agree with CGE...but for different reasons.On the surface how could one refuse this request to embrace the demands by BSFRUIUC On the surface that would be blatantly racist.... I'm not a racist, as I'm not a NeoNazi who I think are racists.I don't even like the term 'white nationalist'...how about white identity.But I think the request should be looked at as an educational experience.I've lived in CU since 1973 and have been aware of the Channing Murray Center...for decades.But I did a little checking...Karen Medina, who I think is a very thoughtful and dedicated social justice person is a board member.Well, I did a bit of checking into Channing Murray to see if I could find some roots to "Cultural Marxism".It only took 5 minutes to find it.Karen is on the Board of Governors of the Channing Murray organization...I did not know that.Then go to Claire Szoke's page to find: "Channing-Murray is a campus-community center guided by Unitarian-Universalist values"Then I found this from a William R. Murry speech to the Unitarian Universalist Association General Assembly 2000
"It (UU) must be emphatically committed to women's rights and equality, to gay rights and equality, to economic justice and to opposing racism. Humanism is by definition truly committed to human well being, and that means we must be socially responsible and active in the work of justice. (Cultural Marxism)"http://www.sullivan-county.com/deism/unitarian2.htm
WellCultural Marxism (Frankfurt School) was founded by the following Jewish Marxist gentleman (listed below) in the 1920's. They were kicked out of Germany by Hitler and settled in at Columbia University. They were kicked out because their atheism/communism/socialism was a threat to the Christian culture of Germany by the German people.Frankfurt School - - Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, Wilhelm Reich, Eric Fromm and Herbert Marcuse
Since that time, they have developed Critical Theory (w/Freud), which is a mainstay social science subject at most universities in the US, including UIUC.It's goal originally was to undermine/destroy white European/American culture through various means in order to advance Marxism. They've sugar-coated it with all sorts of witty prose, but it's still the same. (mass immigration and diversity, unless you're Palestinian)Considering how nice a person Karen Medina seems, I find it hard to believe that she could be associated with such dastardly deeds, ... what's wrong? Surely I have something wrong, but not one of the facts I mention in this is in the least bit inaccurate.Well Marxism is emphatically defunct, but Critical Theory and Cultural Marxism) remains on course, as does mass immigration policies (Cultural Marxism terrorism) of Clinton/Obama/Soros/and all their major bulge bracket Jewish bankster buddies. 
If anyone can find fault in my logic or facts ...please let me know.We live in the age of the internet...where things that are supposed to be hidden find the light of day.Please, oh please, someone come to Karen's defense and prove me wrong.I'm much more anti-Zionist than pro white....but when assaulted, I have to defend myself. 

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: [Peace] AWARE has been asked to consider    supporting the
      13 demands of the BSFR at UIUC (Carl G. Estabrook)
  2. Re: The Ed Norton Professor of Law versus Darth    Smarr!
      (Boyle, Francis A)

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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 22:35:28 -0500
From: "Carl G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] [Peace] AWARE has been asked to consider
    supporting the 13 demands of the BSFR at UIUC
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I think we should try to have a serious discussion of this proposal, online and perhaps in several meetings.

The central question would seem to be, How does it comport with AWARE's antiwar remit?

But there are obviously other important questions, e.g., What do we know of ‘Black Students for Revolution’? 
A severe critic might suggest that a similar list could be circulated by ‘Some Students for Self-Promotion.’
I’m old enough to remember where the loudest voices for ‘militant action’ came from during the Vietnam war: they were provocateurs.

The list certainly raises (once again) questions of the nature and provenance of identity politics (the mainstay of the Clinton campaign).
See Adolph Reed's mordant description (expressed I admit in somewhat clotted prose):

    "[Identity] politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature.
    "An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people.
    "It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class” <http://bennorton.com/adolph-reed-identity-politics-is-neoliberalism/>.

It’s difficult to see how a serious critique of US war-making can arise from identity politics. (Not enough blacks and women among Special Forces killers?)
It would seem that US war-making arises from domestic and foreign class conflicts; given that we’ve killed more than 20 million in 37 nations since WWII, we should be clear about causes.
<https://www.popularresistance.org/us-has-killed-more-than-20-million-in-37-nations-since-wwii/>.

AWARE has seen as its task for 15 years to encourage awareness of how and why the US government is the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today.
And to do that we must tell the truth and shame the devil, as Hotspur says. 

I’m not convinced that endorsing these demands contributes to that effort. —CGE

>> On Sep 15, 2016, at 9:53 PM, Karen Medina via Peace <peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Peace-Discuss,
>> 
>> At the next AWARE meeting*, I will present the 13 demands of the "Black Students for Revolution" at UIUC for consideration. BSFRUIUC has asked if AWARE will sign on to be a community supporter/endorser of the demands.
>> http://www.bsfruiuc.com/our-demands
>> *(I might miss this upcoming meeting, but the next week's meeting then)
>> -- karen medina
>> -------------------------------
>> 1. WE DEMAND that UIUC immediately and permanently halt tuition hikes.
>> 2. 
>> WE DEMAND that the racial and economic demographics of UIUC students, faculty and staff reflect the racial and economic demographics of Illinois by 2032.
>> 3. 
>> WE DEMAND that all on-campus sexual predators, especially those affiliated with the Greek Life system, face severe penalties for all forms of sexual violence.
>> 4. WE DEMAND that UIUC makes a permanent commitment not to consolidate or combine the LGBT Resource Center and Women’s Resource Center in addition to the continued autonomy of all cultural centers and ethnic studies programs.
>> 5. WE DEMAND that UIUC collect and track gender and sexuality based demographics as an official population.
>> 6. WE DEMAND that queer and trans students be given priority for all university sponsored all-gendered housing options and that genderqueer and trans students be offered these spaces at a discounted rate corresponding with the less expensive standard housing option.
>> 7. WE DEMAND that UIUC hire a truly independent consultant to review the salaries of all University employees in order to detect and correct gender and race-based pay inequality
>> 8. WE DEMAND a living wage for all University employees and subcontracted workers and that this rate be indexed for inflation.
>> 9. WE DEMAND all employees of UIUC have access to at least six months of paid parental leave following the birth or adoption of a child.
>> 10. WE DEMAND that UIUC cease and desist job outsourcing and hire directly from underrepresented populations in Urbana-Champaign and the surrounding communities.
>> 11. WE DEMAND that UIUC work towards bridging the gap between this campus and the surrounding Black community of Urbana-Champaign.
>> 12. WE DEMAND that UIUC implement fair-chance admissions and employment policies for those with past conviction records (Ban the Box).
>> 13. WE DEMAND that UIUC release an annual, easily-accessible, and comprehensive report of all its investments and move to divest from socially and politically negligent corporations.
>> 
>> List of Endorsing Local Organizations
>> 
>>     • Black Students for Revolution
>> 
>>     • SJP - Students for Justice in Palestine
>> 
>>     • Planner’s Network
>> 
>>     • MEChA - Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan
>> 
>>     • AASSCC - African American Studies Scholars Cultural Committee
>> 
>>     • CUTES - Campus Union for Trans Equality and Support
>> 
>>     • UMMA - United Muslim & Minority Advocates
>> 
>>     • GEO - Graduate Employees Organization
>> 
>>     • MSU - Mixed Student Union
>> 
>>     • Women of Pride
>> 
>>     • BLM-CU (community) - Black Lives Matter - Champaign Urbana
>> 
>>     • SACC - Students for an Arab Cultural Center at Illinois
>> 
>>     • The Gharbzadegi Art Collective
>> 
>>     • Allies and Accomplices for Racial Justice
>> 
>>     • Men of Impact*
>> 
>>     • Students Against Sexual Assault
>> 
>>     • My Sister’s Keeper*
>> 
>>     • STEM Boycotts the War Machine
>> 
>>     • NAISO - Native American and Indigenous Student Organization
>> 
>>     • SECS - Students for Environmental ConcernS
>> 
>>     • WORD - Writers Organizing Realistic Dialect
>> 
>>     • ASA - Arab Student Association
>> 
>>     • UIUC Beyond Coal
>> 
>>     • Black Rose/Rosa Negra Central Illinois Chapter
>> 
>> 
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Ed Norton Professor of Law versus
    Darth    Smarr!
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And speaking of the Political Science Department, the later  Chair Peter Nardulli and this idiot PoliSci Prof. Paul Diehl filed a formal Complaint with the Dean of the Law School and all  other University Big Wigs because I had publicly criticized the CIA/Zinnes/Seitz  Contract in the Political Science Department, demanding that I be sanctioned. Jeff already circulated that Panel with Belden and me on there debating against the CIA/Seitz/Zinnes. They all got a response along the lines of my apology that was demanded by Manny Donchin, Chair of our CIA Pseudo-Shrinks Spooks Department. A whistleblower in the Polisci department informed me (1) that  basically the entire Policsci department was on the take of the CIA, and (2) that after we had blown the whistle on them all, the Department of Defense bought out the CIA/Zinnes/Seitz contract. Sunlight is  the best disinfectant for  CIA Academic Lice on Campus like Nardulli, Deal, Seitz, Zinnes, and Donchin et al.
Fab
Ed Norton Professor of Law
Harvard: AM and PHD in Political Science

Francis A. Boyle
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Subject: The Ed Norton Professor of Law versus Darth Smarr!

Some of you may have seen the  Local Section of the News Gazette today  with a color picture of "Larry Smarr, founding director of the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at Illinois...as part of Friday's celebration of the NCSA's 30th anniversary in Urbana." One of the very  first public lectures I ever gave here on campus was over at  the Illini Union  in support of the Ratification of the SALT II Treaty at the request of Larry Smarr. Larry then asked me to join the Prairie Alliance against Nuclear Arms and I worked with them for a number of years. Eventually Larry was appointed the first NCSA Director but of course the BIG U told Larry he was going to have to cut out his anti-nuclear work, which he did.. Well ok. So it goes in academia. But then some  sicko professor in the political science department (except for Belden, how many of them are not?) decided to put in a grant to use the NCSA supercomputer in order to develop a program for designing  the next generation of ICBM nuclear weapons delivery devices, making the NCSA the "cutting edge" of the nuclear arms race. And Larry Smarr wrote a strong letter in support of this sick and demented proposal-I read it. So Larry Smarr and his NCSA personally become the "cutting edge" of the nuclear arms race. Thus Larry Smarr turned to the Dark Side and transformed himself into Darth Smarr--where he still resides today. Go home Darth Smarr!
Fab
Ed Norton Professor of Law

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