[Peace-discuss] My experience with the U of I recently

[Karen Aram]

Translation please. I understand the people, but I never learned the language.
On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:19, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com<mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>> wrote:

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On Sep 21, 2016, at 12:10 PM, Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com<mailto:karenaram at hotmail.com>> wrote:

I felt my handling, by countering the propaganda, in an orderly fashion was appropriate.

It gave everyone a chance to hear a counter argument, to be considered.

However, providing someone with a soapbox or forum such as the COL U of I, did and is continuing to do so, by bringing Killer Koh here to promote Hillary in October, is providing support, and therefore the COL U of I is complicit, just as we are when we provide a platform or support for a racist to speak on our Peace List. We maybe countering him, but we are also providing him and therefore we are complicit with the spread of his lies, and propaganda.


On Sep 21, 2016, at 09:46, C. G. Estabrook <carl at newsfromneptune.com<mailto:carl at newsfromneptune.com>> wrote:

Preventing anyone from speaking - even Nazis and Democrats - almost always militates against the True and the Good.

But large demonstrations against such speakers can have the opposite effect.

That’s why the powers that be want to characterize such demonstrations as ‘denials of free speech.’

—CGE

On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:05 AM, David Green via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Even though I'm generally opposed to overt disruption of speaking events as a political tactic, the nature of such events as this one, with no opportunity for genuine discourse and no willingness by the speaker to take that seriously, might force me to reconsider.
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On Wed, 9/21/16, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Subject: [Peace-discuss] My experience with the U of I recently
To: "Peace Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net<mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>, "peace" <peace at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace at lists.chambana.net>>, "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>>
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2016, 8:51 AM

I attended what was supposed to be a
talk on Constitutional
Law last week at the COL U of I, by Prof. Anil Amar a
Constitutional Law Professor at Yale University, and the
brother of the Dean of the College of Law U of I.

I was planning to raise questions related to the firing of
Professor Salaita for exercising his "freedom of speech" on
social media, and bringing in Harold “Killer” Koh, to
campaign for his client Hillary Clinton only ten days before
the election in violation of Illinois statues.

It was Poli Sci 101 with Prof. Amar promoting his book and
Hillary.  Due to lack of time, he only took questions.
Two people asked questions related to issues and law
which he addressed with much discussion related to the
electoral collage, former Pres. Lincoln and Obama, then
progressing to disparaging third parties, blaming Nader for
Bush and our current wars. He talked about how awful Trump
is, and how moderate Hillary is and why we need her, even
mentioning Tammy Duckworth as someone who should be
supported.
I restrained myself from walking out, and raised my hand
instead.

I asked "how can you support Hillary given her record as
Sec. of State, responsible, along with Obama, for the death
and destruction of thousands/millions of people of Libya,
Syria, Yemen, as well as Iraq?" and then asked again,
"having heard you speak yesterday on NPR, how can you
support our Constitutional Law Prof. President, Obama, who
has broken not only International law, but our laws, by
extending the Bush wars to as many as 8
countries”?  Then followed with "I came here
expecting a conversation on “Freedom of Speech”
instead I’m hearing a promotion of Hillary and the
Democrats."

He responded with “you’re
exercising your freedom of speech and I’m exercising
mine.”  He then attempted to defend his position. He
was clearly
rattled, and floundering, though he was floundering all over
the place from the very beginning, now worse. One of his
most disturbing statements was in relation to his defense of
Hillary and the destruction of Libya, “only five Americans
died in Libya, emphasizing with fingers raised, "only
five.”

I guess to some, only American lives matter. The millions of
non Americans the US is responsible for killing with
impunity, and no remorse, sadly, don’t matter.

He was then pulled off to another speaking engagement.


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