[Peace-discuss] Asset Seizure 12/21 Exe. Order

Fri Dec 22 23:07:19 UTC 2017

Thank you, I have posted the Executive Order on FB, its very important.

We’ll see what some of our international friends have to say about it.

Just imagine if we had the power to apply it, Trump, Obama, Bush, Cheney, Kissinger, their advisors, the Pentagon, Think Tanks, CIA, all the contractors and subcontractors, all the corporations profiting from our wars and interventions. They’re all loaded. The money could go to pay reparations to all those our government is responsible for murdering, raping, destroying……….housing, infrastructure, though unfortunately money won’t bring back the dead.

On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:24, bjornsona at ameritech.net<mailto:bjornsona at ameritech.net> wrote:

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Thanks, Karen. I am new at this list thing. I appreciate all your info very much.
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From: Karen Aram
Date: Fri, Dec 22, 2017 2:16 PM
To: bjornsona at ameritech.net<mailto:bjornsona at ameritech.net>;
Cc: C G Estabrook;
Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] Asset Seizure 12/21 Exe. Order

Can you send it to us, when googling, the last update was in 2015 under Obama, though now erased. Which makes sense if there is a new one now.

On Dec 22, 2017, at 12:14, bjornsona--- via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

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Dear Carl: Just saw this today, hidden amid the flurry of other executive orders put out yesterday by our country's owners. The implications are far worse than RICO, of course, which I saw operate years ago on drug dealers in Evanston.

Completely shellshocked.
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From: C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss
Dat e: Fri, Dec 22, 2017 11:07 AM
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Subject:Re: [Peace-discuss] Decry discrimination: accept exploitation

"Clinton lost because PA, WI, and MI have high casualty rates and saw her as pro-war, study says"

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On Dec 22, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Karen Aram via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

Carl

I agree with your statement below, as well as that which the article below emphasizes:

"Lilla saw firsthand the deterioration of the relationship between the Democratic party and working-class whites in Michigan, a breakdown motivated in part by “the sense people had that there was a Democratic cultural elite that looked down on them and their religion and their family life and their traditional views”.

In an influential 1985 study of Macomb, Stan Greenberg, a pollster, argued that white rust belt voters lost faith in the Democratic party due to a perception that it advocated for other groups – black Americans, the very poor, recent immigrants, feminists – but not them.”

Where I disagree with you, is when you insist that the “rust belt folks support Trump because they are opposed to war” That is wishful thinking on your part.

Those that supported Trump as the anti-war candidate tend to be the educated republicans who oppose war, they had hope based upon some of what he said in his campaign speech. They of course were wrong just as the liberal Democrats were wrong in supporting Obama, as a peace candidate.

The American people need to stop putting faith in anything a candidate has to say and look behind the curtain of OZ, as to who is controlling the candidate. Neither Democrat or Republican Parties will allow a President to follow his own path, assuming he has one other than getting elected, given ownership by the corporate elites.

On Dec 22, 2017, at 07:44, C G Estabrook via Peace-discuss <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net<mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> wrote:

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"Macomb County, Michigan, Lilla’s birthplace just outside Detroit, was one of the rust belt counties that voted twice for Obama before going for Trump – a fact which complicates the progressive ‘whitelash' thesis that Trump voters were motivated by racial resentment."

The desperate attempt to blame this fact on racism and/or misogyny shows that identity politics is a cover for liberals' abandonment of class politics.

Its real source is the immiseration of the American middle class and the confiscation of their life chances, in comparison with their parents, over 40 years of accelerating growth of inequality.

Liberals decry discrimination in order not to have to talk about exploitation.

—CGE

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