[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

[John W.]

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:

On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout
> two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his
> predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded.
>
> On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making.
>
> Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the
> latter into war-making.
>
> We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he
> wasn’t lying as much as Obama was.
>

A hope devoutly to be wished, but hardly grounded in any sort of objective,
empirical reality.



> —CGE
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a
> predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be
> a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist.
>
> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and
> differences among them:
>
> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the
> Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles.
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_472_trumps-2Dstay-2Dstrong-2Disrael-2Dtweet-2Dgenocidal-2Dimplications-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=NMlNOXqlJ2iwd6X5cN9ixW-8Py6pFdVxZg1Q0WCfBKE&e=>
>
> Jay
>
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
> For sure Jay. Trump is not   a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer
> Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously
>   endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes  and became Accessories
> After The Fact to  their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes
> Against Peace.
> Fab
> Ed Norton Professor of Law
> Carl Schmitt College of Law:
> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
>
> Francis A. Boyle
> Law Building
> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
> 217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)
> 217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)
> (personal comments only)
>
>
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