[Peace-discuss] [Peace] Inside Trump Defense Secretary Pick’s Efforts to Halt Torture - The New York Times

[David Swanson]

Delighted to denounce Obama at length but that longest-at-war thing really
depends on viewing Native Americans as not real people and the wars on them
as not real.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 4:55 PM, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Carl G. Estabrook via Peace <
> peace at lists.chambana.net> wrote:
>
> On the one side is the first US president - ever - to be at war throughout
>> two presidential terms, although he was elected to bring an end to his
>> predecessor’s wars - which he instead expanded.
>>
>> On the other side is his successor, who criticized that war-making.
>>
>> Now the former and his supporters are working desperately to lock the
>> latter into war-making.
>>
>> We should be supporting Trump's anti-war asseverations - and hope he
>> wasn’t lying as much as Obama was.
>>
>
> A hope devoutly to be wished, but hardly grounded in any sort of
> objective, empirical reality.
>
>
>
>> —CGE
>>
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 2:11 PM, Jay <futureup2us at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes they are all war criminals, it comes with the job of leading a
>> predatory empire. AND there are sharp differences among them. Trump will be
>> a war criminal the minute he takes power, if he does, and a fascist.
>>
>> One example of both the criminality of all sides of the ruling class and
>> differences among them:
>>
>> Trump’s “Stay Strong Israel” tweet - Genocidal Implications for the
>> Palestinians…a Model for America Ueber Alles.
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.revcom.us_a_472_trumps-2Dstay-2Dstrong-2Disrael-2Dtweet-2Dgenocidal-2Dimplications-2Den.html&d=DQMF-g&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=tfHzwZBcTLEveiewRiq0OdhFmfRmlvZjpIBS0AUJ2v0&m=AhFuAE-JtaI1EA-m6HK6J1ifDRXFqSCsAzHSnXLVlmo&s=NMlNOXqlJ2iwd6X5cN9ixW-8Py6pFdVxZg1Q0WCfBKE&e=>
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 13:58, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>
>> For sure Jay. Trump is not   a war criminal. But Obama, Clinton, Killer
>> Koh et al certainly are! And this Nazi College of Law Faculty maliciously
>>   endorsed and facilitated them and their crimes  and became Accessories
>> After The Fact to  their War Crimes, Crimes against Humanity and Crimes
>> Against Peace.
>> Fab
>> Ed Norton Professor of Law
>> Carl Schmitt College of Law:
>> "Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"
>>
>> Francis A. Boyle
>> Law Building
>> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
>> Champaign, IL 61820 USA
>> 217-333-7954 <(217)%20333-7954> (phone)
>> 217-244-1478 <(217)%20244-1478> (fax)
>> (personal comments only)
>>
>>


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*David Swanson *is an author, activist, journalist, and radio host. He is
director of WorldBeyondWar.org and campaign coordinator for RootsAction.org.
Swanson's books include *War Is A Lie <http://warisalie.org/>*. He blogs at
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