[Peace-discuss] Impeachment

Tue Jan 17 04:23:44 UTC 2017

My sincere apologies to Mongolia for comparing Bush Jr and Painter to Genghis Khan who is a national hero there. Fab.

Francis A. Boyle
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-----Original Message-----
From: Boyle, Francis A 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 10:05 PM
To: Estabrook, Carl G <galliher at illinois.edu>
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Subject: RE: Impeachment 

This campaign of impeaching Trump for violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution is so much Dems hypocrisy that it stinks to high heaven--not to excuse Trump. But while Clinton was Secretary of State we never heard even one word by anyone about impeaching Clinton on the basis of the Emoluments Clause for her ties to the Clinton Foundation and all of the influence peddling there by foreign governments and potentates. If you are watching the Tubes  and the Newspeak Times et al the Dems Media are constantly  trotting out this Federalist  Society Law Professor Richard  Painter for this EC proposition. LOL! The Dems Media always state that his primary qualification is  that he was the White House Ethics Adviser to President Bush Jr for two years. LOL! In other words, he was covered in the Blood of Muslims/Arabs/Asians of Color from his head to his toes 24/7 while given ethics advise to Genghis Khan in the White House. Painter used to teach  here at the Illinois Nazis Law School. No surprise there at all. Bushie Ethics.

Fab
Ed Norton Professor of Law
Carl Schmitt College of Law:
"Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!"

Francis A. Boyle
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Champaign IL 61820 USA
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-----Original Message-----
From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:48 PM
To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
Cc: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>; Jay Becker <futureup2us at gmail.com>; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien <moboct1 at aim.com>; David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>; Joe Lauria <joelauria at gmail.com>; David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Impeachment 

But it would be interesting to meet an impeachment resolution against Trump (which the Democrats keep threatening) with an impeachment resolution against Obama!

> On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:44 PM, Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu> wrote:
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> With all due respect Carl, the moment Obama leaves office on Friday at Noon we need to move on to having Obama et al. indicted for war crimes, crimes against humanity, murder  and numerous  other atrocities. Put them all  in jail where they  belong! Ditto for Bush Jr et al. There is no Statute of Limitations for these crimes and every court in the world has universal jurisdiction to try them.
> Fab
> Ed Norton Professor of Law
> Carl Schmitt College of Law:
> "Mein Fuhrer I can walk!"
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> Francis A. Boyle
> Law Building
> 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave.
> Champaign IL 61820 USA
> 217-333-7954 (phone)
> 217-244-1478 (fax)
> (personal comments only)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at illinois.edu] 
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:36 PM
> To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>
> Cc: Karen Aram <karenaram at hotmail.com>; Jay Becker <futureup2us at gmail.com>; peace-discuss at anti-war.net; C. G. ESTABROOK <carl at newsfromneptune.com>; a-fields at uiuc.edu; Hoffman, Valerie J <vhoffman at illinois.edu>; Miller, Joseph Thomas <jtmiller at illinois.edu>; Szoke, Ron <r-szoke at illinois.edu>; sherwoodross10 at gmail.com; Arlene Hickory <a23h23 at yahoo.com>; David Swanson <davidcnswanson at gmail.com>; peace-discuss-request at lists.chambana.net; Dave Trippel <davetrippel at ameritech.net>; abass10 at gmail.com; mickalideh at gmail.com; Lina Thorne <lina at worldcantwait.net>; chicago at worldcantwait.net; Mildred O'brien <moboct1 at aim.com>; David Johnson <davidjohnson1451 at comcast.net>; Joe Lauria <joelauria at gmail.com>; David Green <davegreen84 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Impeachment 
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> Certainly presidents can be impeached after leaving office - conviction making appointment to the Supreme Court, say, impossible - and Obama should be impeached for unconstitutional use of the military. There should be a movement to prevent his legal apotheosis.
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> —CGE
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>> From: "Boyle, Francis A" <fboyle at illinois.edu>
>> To: Kary Love <kary_love at yahoo.com>; Terry Lodge <tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>; Brad Springer <bspringer at scholtenfant.com>; Scot Reynolds <sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com> 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:31 AM
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>> We need one Member of the House to introduce a Bill of Impeachment against Obama. Happy to serve as Counsel and Draft it if  you can get me one. Fab.
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>> Francis A. Boyle
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>> 217-244-1478 (fax)
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>> From: Kary Love [mailto:kary_love at yahoo.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:05 AM
>> To: Boyle, Francis A <fboyle at illinois.edu>; Terry Lodge <tjlodge50 at yahoo.com>; Brad Springer <bspringer at scholtenfant.com>; Scot Reynolds <sareynolds1960 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Power To Declare War
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>> In order to be a republic, rather than a monarchy, the power to declare war, the most terrible power of government, must belong to the representatives of the people--not to a single individual.  In my view, this core power, given to the Congress by the Constitution, is not delegable by the Congress to the President without destroying separation of powers in its most critical aspect.  The abuse of the power to declare war by tyrants and kings throughout history, including the use of war to create fear among the people and to distract them from domestic issues, was one reason the Constitution reposed this power exclusively in the Congress.  Allowing its delegation to the executive branch destroys the participation of the people through their representatives in the decision to engage in this most fearsome of governmental acts.
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>> The acquiesce by Congress, again, is disturbing.  The statements by "leaders" in Congress that the power has been fully delegated to the executive and no further action is necessary or proper is arguably an impeachable offense, in my view.  Certainly, it is evidence that those holding that view have abandoned their responsibility to act in accord with their oath to uphold the Constitution and should be considered by voters when deciding to return such persons to Congress--and in considering candidates for the executive.  The compact between the people and the national government is the Constitution.  When the government actions destroy the core limits imposed, contrary to the representations made to the ratifying conventions of the people, arguably the contract is dissolved.  KL
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>> From "The Hill:"
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>> Obama Objections Stop War Authorization Vote
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